I still don't get how some juggernauts are expected to be kited

deadlychuck·Jan 16, 2017·2 votes·431 views

When items like exist as core items.

They just become better fighters at the point that they are just as impossible to kite and avoid.

6 Comments

Critmaster GarenJan 16, 20171 votes

they arent supposed to be easily kited when theyre already in your face. in that case you failed at kiting.

dead mans plate has the same restriction as juggernauts themslves. you cc them while theyre walking at you, and the movement speed from dmp drops off.

deadlychuckJan 16, 20172 votes

Expect that's my point. You're often not able to kit them, because being in range of your own attack or abilities (mainly the ones which might be used to CC them) often puts you in range of their engagement. Then with BC, once they're on you, you're not getting them off.

Mind you this is a problem most pronounced in Darius , but there are a few other "juggernaut" style champions which work this way. Even though riot might not classify them as such. Hecarim Udyr JarvanIV

Critmaster GarenJan 16, 20171 votes

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Expect that's my point. You're often not able to kit them, because being in range of your own attack or abilities often puts you in range of their engagement. Then with BC, once they're on you, you're not getting them off.

Mind you this is a problem most pronounced in , but there are a few other "juggernaut" style champions which work this way. Even though riot might not classify them as such.

jarvan and hecarim are clearly not juggernauts. theyre divers.

and udyr and darius are both kitable. darius a bot less due to his pull, but you can outplay his q and e. maybe your best bet is just trying not to 1v1 them.

deadlychuckJan 16, 20171 votes

Sure they're juggernauts. They both deal substantial damage, soak up tons of damage, and the best option to defeating them is kiting. "Juggernauts are melee titans who relentlessly march down the opposition and devastate those foolish enough to get within their grasp. They are the only subclass who excel at both dealing and taking significant amounts of damage, but in turn they have a tough time closing in on targets due to their low range and extremely limited mobility". -Riot Games

Yet, it's not even a matter of 1v1s, it's a matter of just attempting to target them even in a team fight. If you want to target them you're putting yourself within their engagement range to do so. In J4's case it's a little bit absurd considering he has about 1420 range of gap closing.

RalanrJan 16, 20171 votes

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Sure they're juggernauts. They both deal substantial damage, soak up tons of damage, and the best option to defeating them is kiting. "Juggernauts are melee titans who relentlessly march down the opposition and devastate those foolish enough to get within their grasp. They are the only subclass who excel at both dealing and taking significant amounts of damage, but in turn they have a tough time closing in on targets due to their low range and extremely limited mobility". -Riot Games

Yet, it's not even a matter of 1v1s, it's a matter of just attempting to target them even in a team fight. If you want to target them you're putting yourself within their engagement range to do so. In J4's case it's a little bit absurd considering he has about 1420 range of gap closing.

That's cause he's a diver. That gap closer is what makes him a diver since he doesn't have limited mobility. Same with Hecarim.