you're rewarded with a little burst of damage from being in combat which will come through sustained fight or lane trading. And the damage is not insane. Electrocute is just insane on 
and a lot more. Predator should just be called hecarim Rush(pun intended). Conqueror and it's true damage problem. Comet is not always guaranteed to hit. Aery is a nightmare on damage over time champs.
Warlord Rhinark7 votesI mean.
Guardian is pretty healthy too.
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I mean.
Guardian is pretty healthy too.
Oh yeah for sure.
meowwow71 votesit's strong but unreliable you think you got it set up after shielding/healing an ally next hit later you see an ally has been slain and you still have guardian
Warlord Rhinark1 votesit's strong but unreliable you think you got it set up after shielding/healing an ally next hit later you see an ally has been slain and you still have guardian
Which is why people need to stand close to eachother.
meowwow72 votesi'd say that is a good solution but after supporting against things like alistar braum taric sona brand bard nami etc that actually gets you killed more than anything
Warlord Rhinark1 votesi'd say that is a good solution but after supporting against things like alistar braum taric sona brand bard nami etc that actually gets you killed more than anything
Well shit.
meowwow71 votesgrant with braum that's plausible due to his e eating those bouncy/tethering projectiles, but i main taric
SugeMinPikk1 votesProbably just has to do with your timing then.. 0 cooldown heal makes it pretty reliable.
meowwow71 votesit might be due to the fact his q is aoe and guardian says targeted but sometimes it procs it and bastion doesn't proc it
SugeMinPikk1 votesYou generally take Guardian on melee supports with melee-range support abilities. It's quite reliable on Tahm and Braum. Also reliable on Rakan, but he doesn't take it anymore.
Ralanr2 votesHonestly, I hate Guardian because you don't have that much control over it procing.
Warlord Rhinark1 votesHonestly, I hate Guardian because you don't have that much control over it procing.
You do if you just dry-hump your ADC all game 24/7
Which, as a support, you should probably already be doing.
Ralanr1 votesSure, but I'd rather take aftershock on a support, and if I'm playing someone that sucks at using it (Tahm) I'll go grasp.
Warlord Rhinark1 votesSure, but I'd rather take aftershock on a support, and if I'm playing someone that sucks at using it (Tahm) I'll go grasp.
That's a decent point I guess.
But for someone like Braum, neither Aftershock nor Grasp seem really good on him.
Guardian, however, seems excellent.
Ralanr1 votesI suppose. I tend to run aftershock on him but Guardian does seem to basically be up his alley.
Fízz v27 votesIts pretty busted in lane tho
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Its pretty busted in lane tho
I disagree. Compared to the other runes, this one is not so bad.
AirKingNeo5 votesliterally the strongest laning rune
what
AR URF4 votesliterally the strongest laning rune
what
strongest laning rune vs conqueror or press the attack? Are you serious right now?
AirKingNeo5 votesGraps literally beats Conqueror in lane.
Which why Ornn wins lane, why Fiora takes Grasp instead of Conqueror, and why Aatrox took grasp into some bruiser matchups before being reworked.
Seriously, are we just gonna sit in denial and circlejerk Conqueror being broken without any evidence? PtA is SHIT in lane.
Ralanr2 votesFiora takes Grasp because she doesn't use Conqueror well at all. She already has true damage, but lacks sustain.
AirKingNeo2 votesshe likes the ad
Ralanr2 votesShe can get AD from some runes or just her items. I think she’d prefer the early sustain more.
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesNo fiora takes grasp because grasp is broken, gives her INSANE poke, more heal and free stats from pressing Q off cooldown. She can use the bonus AD VERY well of conq. There is a reason literally everyone who can takes grasp to WIN LANE.
Ralanr2 votesIt’s not really poke if it’s melee...
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes???
Are u for real right now?
Ralanr1 votesAre you? Poke is ranged. In Melee it’s not poking, the closest is going in and hitting someone and dashing away.
That’s closer to kiting though.
D357R0Y3R4 votesgrasp is broken in lane conqueror is shit in lane except if you do long trades which should not happen if the oppenent is smart
GayFluffyUnicorn3 votesYes cause this is a fact and not a feeling or opinion to have.
heroikc1 votes[{quoted}](name=Fízz v2,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=duBGEXTb,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-07-15T13:28:10.724+0000)
Its pretty busted in lane tho
Only if you let them hit you :P And frankly, I think the only person who can do that safely and consistently in that case is Poppy and her buckler. It's not the worst rune (in terms of being OP) tbh.
Rexxiee2 votesExcept grasp is broken, and by far the strongest lane rune, it needs nerfs.
Khristophoros1 votesI don't like it because it loses a lot of relevance after laning ends. They tried to make up for this by adding the health stacking but in a lot of matchups you can't even proc it very much. Sometimes even matchups you're dominating. Like today I accidentally picked the wrong page on Nunu top and had Grasp. I was against Aatrox who as far as I can tell Nunu totally shits all over. Well I procced the rune only once in the beginning of the laning phase and after that I had him zoned and he just respected me so I never procced it again until like 10 min later when i had to flash to finish him off with an autoattack. So I procced it twice in a matchup that I dominated. Not really my favorite rune tbh.
BeatzBoyFTW1 votesBecause Grasp sucks ass on a Nunu. You're better off taking Arcane Comet against him since you have the capability to poke him off a lot, plus you're not even a highly AA-focused champion to be able to proc Grasp more often.
Khristophoros1 votesLike I said I took the wrong page by accident. I usually take comet.
Nunu can easily proc Grasp (he just doesn't care about the effect) if the opponent tries to go for trades or gets anywhere near the minion wave. My point is, if your opponent decides that there's no point to trade or get near you at all, you can't gain the health from Grasp. That's not a Nunu specific problem.
The problem is that the rune isn't reliable because your opponent can opt out of interacting with you if they feel like it's their only option. At that point you're not gonna stack the health so later in the game your keystone is just the stupid little bit of extra damage while everyone else is rocking conqueror, electrocute, etc...
BeatzBoyFTW1 votesSpecific champions who has on-hit ranged abilities like 
can still have relevance in teamfights with Grasp, especially when paired with Sheen proc for extra more damage.
Specific champions who solely relies on AA & has strong sticking power
also has relevance in teamfights with Grasp, including pairing it with the AA-reset burst from his E.
Specific champions who has multiple disruption & CC
can have the capability to render the enemy laner useless for a second to be able to proc off the Grasp debuff, also when paired with his Passive.
It really all depends on what specific champions can have the capability to use Grasp a lot out of, including the fact that those champions just doesn't do well with other runes like the ones you mentioned.
Khristophoros1 votesNunu can and should include autoattacks in his trades like Mundo. Yes he doesn't do huge damage like Mundo but he still uses it because it will bring up Visionary sooner and do a little damage during his cooldown. And his slow gives him insane sticking power. Literally the only reason I couldn't proc it was because my opponent just stayed away. It's not because of Nunu.
Like I said your opponent can just not interact with you if they feel like it. And that is the reason I dislike Grasp.
But if you want a rune that gives you teamfighting power on any of those champs you're still better off with like Conqueror or something. I feel that if you can't stack the health from Grasp it's not very good even if you have the ability to proc it in teamfights.