May I ask in what way Vayne is a "high skillcap" champion?

SaltyToplaneGoat··4 votes·257 views

Literally all you do with her is use her basic attack and her Q, and once in a blue moon her E. I mean, sure you have to learn it like you need with every champion kit, but if 90% of what I do is pretty much using a single basic ability again and again without having any sort of meaningful interaction with the enemy... how is that a display of high skill?

I am impressed if a Syndra manages to drop a ult on me that has more balls than I could have possibly predicted.

I am impressed if a Katarina wipes out an entire team due to crazy shunpo skills.

I am impressed by the skill of a Fiora player when they strike all their four ult-vitals in one fluid motion.

That's all display of skill. Tumbling around the map and nearly one-shotting squishies from stealth, while at the same time still being one of the best tank shredders in the game... that's not skill. You literally internalized ONE SINGLE SIMPLE MECHANIC. The other skills, like positioning and situation judgement are neneded on every champ, so that doesn't really count.

So to repeat my question: why is this champ considered "high skill"? I mean sure the bar was a bit lower in Season 2 when it comes to design but that was five years ago...

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Mizaya3 votes

Having no secondary damage source to fall back on outside of autoattacks, while having 550 range. Compare that to Twitch KogMaw Caitlyn TristanaJinx who have much higher autoattack range, Jhin MissFortune LucianEzreal who can deal good damage with longer range abilities.

Also, Vayne is very dependent on efficiency with auto-animation canceling, even for an ADC.

AFilthyCaitMain1 votes

ADC mechanics but with

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  • Using her kit to help her actually kill someone while not dying.

Seriously. Its harder than youre making it out to be. Being able to just get blown up while only having 550 range is pretty difficult to work around

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

"Adc mechanics" in the traditional sense excludes mobility of all sorts. Jhin is a prime example, or Ashe, or Kog.

550 range means pretty much nothing when you either have a support save your sorry ass through an earlygame of farming, and when after that you just one-shot people from stealth. Also that range difference barely matters early unless you face of against a Cait.

I tell ya something, having a good winrate with full AP Soraka toplane ain't easy either, yet I would never go as far and call my main a "high skill champion". Everyone has a weakness, Vayne's is neglectiable at the moment.

AFilthyCaitMain1 votes

Vaynes weakness is poor a af early game, poor range, and how squishy she is.

also, after this patch vaynes q bonus wont crit, so she cant one shot you, she barely could before this either. And if you think range difference doesnt matter early then youre not playing the lane right. If youre not abusing ranges in lane you are not winning lane as hard as you could be. this is adc laning 101.

Wet Dryman1 votes

Skillshots/combos are not the only things that make champion have high skill ceiling. Vayne is reliable in her damage output BUT her range is pretty low for Marksmen standards, in order to do damage she stays in danger zone of like 90% of champion roster (number taken out of ass but hopefully you know what I mean) and she is very squishy on pair with that most of botlane matchups are stronger than her during early game and can just bully her.

Dealing damage in teamfights as ADC with that low range, single target damage, self peel that can be used against her with blink/dash while being squishy and dealing with her stupidly weak laning phase makes her high skill cap champion.

Limrick1 votes

Properly using stealth, proper positioning and kiting skills, insane awareness for E, ability to survive her weak lane. There's lots of things that make Vayne hard.

Asayake 5150glow2 votes

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Properly using stealth, proper positioning and kiting skills, insane awareness for E, ability to survive her weak lane. There's lots of things that make Vayne hard.

It's pretty hard to fuck up stealth, honestly. Positioning and kiting are important, but that's the same for every ADC. E doesn't require insane awareness as stealth + Q + passive movespeed makes it incredibly easy to get a wall pin, even if you don't cancel a dash with it. Surviving a weak lane isn't all that impressive on it's own, many champions have weak lanes but you wouldn't say Nasus is a high skillcap champion would you?

Limrick1 votes

Nasus doesn't have a weak lane anymore, he hits 6 and beats the fuck out of any melee in the game with no difficulty.

And it's easy to fuck up the stealth, if you just walk in a straight line after Tumble, you're still fucked, invisible or not. Vayne's biggest strength is the stealth, and mastering it is actually really difficult. It's why really good Vaynes can 1v5, while really bad ones die instantly.

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