who is the anti ap version of malphite?

xDogMeatx·Aug 28, 2019·3 votes·4,898 views

is it maokai? or someone else who has similar skillset yet can actually take ap damage well. tanking and cc is king here at malphite levels.

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KalienorAug 28, 20199 votes

Galio

Tr4shB4NSYST3MAug 28, 20193 votes

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xDogMeatxAug 28, 20192 votes

wait isnt galio mainly built to be a ap briuser (where you kinda can neglect MR due to his passive on W) these days since his tank self was nerfed hard.

boricCentaur1Aug 28, 20197 votes

He WAS A TANK and HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THAT. His lore and his voice lines fit that but riot fucked it up by listening to the old galio players that wanted to go full ap.

MortismoAug 29, 20191 votes

Thats actually not what Riot wanted, they saw tank galio becoming OP in LCS so they tried to do what they did to gragas by making him scale better with AP, trying to make him an AP bruiser, but base damages were way too low for tank and ratios way too high to skip out on full ap

FlameHalbrdOkidoAug 29, 20191 votes

The Biggest mistake they could have made with the rework was giving Galio a cross map mobility teamplay reliant ult. That was just ASKING for challenges when it came to balancing between pros and regs. Of course he's going to be strong in the LCS when u give him an ult like that with the rest of his kit. Cross map mobility and teamplay reliant abilities are already strong enough for LCS on their own.

Sure now they are stuck with the ult for now, but they really shoulda just make him go full magic tank, thats what he's supposed to be.

AlienPrimateAug 29, 20194 votes

If they listened to the old Galio players they would have reverted Galio. Not one person who played old Galio actually likes new Galio. I basically one tricked Galio and haven't touched him outside of ARAM since his rework.

The Stripy BagAug 29, 20191 votes

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If they listened to the old Galio players they would have reverted Galio. Not one person who played old Galio actually likes new Galio. I basically one tricked Galio and haven't touched him outside of ARAM since his rework.

I played lots of both versions. I remember when I wanted to grind Gold late last season I just played a bunch of Galio and Maokai support. I still like new Galio and wish they'd give us back the flash taunt he's known for.

Trist mid opopAug 29, 20191 votes

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Galio is the mr version of rammus.

VelasanAug 28, 20195 votes

Seriously though it's Mundo DrMundo .

His E gives him free magic resist when he gets hit by a spell, and he has built in regeneration so he heals off poke, while also being able to farm from ranged.

However, I'm guessing you are just talking about tanks, because if you expand that question to the entire roster as others have pointed out you have Galio, Kassadin, Malzahar, Morgana, Fizz (damage reduction), and Cho'gath to name a few. A lot of people forget Cho, but he heals when he kills minions and gets a lot of health. If you build an MR item on him he can tank magic damage well and then heal it off by killing minions, and his wave clear is good because he has 3 AOE abilities.

xDogMeatxAug 28, 20192 votes

thats true healing is key to tank magic damage. but whos a Tank tank (aka mega tank like malphite/rammus but the Anti ap version) i like megatanks imao.

InfernapeAug 28, 20193 votes

It used to be Galio because his damage scaled heavily off of MR whereas now he gets more damage reduction against magic damage, his passive scales off of MR, and a magic shield. He's more of a soft counter to magic damage over a complete wall that nullifies it.

So it's pretty much Kassadin with his passive and Q, Sylas with his E and the aforementioned Galio.

xDogMeatxAug 28, 20191 votes

well is maokai a ap counter in some degree? doesnt have to kill either it just has to be a cc threat.

InfernapeAug 28, 20191 votes

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well is maokai a ap counter in some degree?

In some ways because his passive triggers more often with nearby spell casts.

MrFawknSunshineAug 28, 20191 votes

yes to a point he really loves item 3065 and getting item 3001 is common so it gives him a good amount of mr. and his passive had a cdr when abilities are casted

SchenixAug 28, 20192 votes

The anti-ap niche is more common, almost crowded. Although constant tank against AP isn't very common on champions, we have Adaptive Helm.

Rammus is also close to Malphite for anti-AD.

DrMundo (AP champions tend to have more CC, which he negates while also gaining free MR) Galio Kassadin Sylas Yasuo Chogath Ornn

Vladimir - This is probably who you are looking for though. While he has minimal CC, AP champions will struggle to kill him the later the game goes on, and almost never if he gets just a Visage.

xDogMeatxAug 28, 20191 votes

mundo is a cc absorber threat due to his W/ultimate which is supposed to scare the enemies into ccing him.

vlad is a battlemage who focuses on dodging cc while also healing off magic damage making him out trade mages

i see

yasuo wouldnt be here since hes a ranged "everyone who shoots" counter champ.

sylas i can see be here since he can steal their ult since ap ults are mostly AOE/CC heavy/team oriented in nature. also his E/W helps too.

kassidin is born for his role (except i dont know how to use him effectively).

galio has that W passive which is similar to kassidin shielding. while also having Q to reach mages.

Glamorous RammusAug 28, 20191 votes

Kassadin is good. Passive MR and Ghost, enemy Spells make E available. Good mobility as far as escapes and engages with R, Q is good on-target poke that gives a spell shield and Silences target for 1 second. W is an AA booster with a built in Mana Pot. E deals damage in a cone and applies a heavy slow. Kass can't sit there and eat the magic, but when you play him correctly he has great survivability versus AP users.

MavëríckAug 28, 20191 votes

Tank Galio still is one of his best builds vs heavy AP opposition;

item 3111 > item 3001 > item 3110 - or - item 3025 > item 3194 is great.

For context, you're maxing CDR, covering all bases defensively, and have damage to spare when you initiate thanks to the aura on Abyssal Mask.

For last item you can cap it off with item 3083 item 3116 item 3165 item 3151 for some extra stats depending on what your team needs.

xDogMeatxAug 28, 20191 votes

his base (without scaling in itself) damages actually that good?

MavëríckAug 28, 20191 votes

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his base (without scaling in itself) damages actually that good?

I consider it to be yes. Especially on his Passive, Q, and W

https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Galio/Abilities

Look at his Passive especially. It was buffed recently and it resets the more abilities you land on champions. It's AoE, decent base and okish scaling, and his Q has a max base of 240, which you always max Q first anyway. It's reliable in the early game, and does some %hp damage on those late game fights even though your focus as Tank Galio is engaging, hitting 3+ enemies with taunt, and using ult properly to disrupt.

I don't like Aftershock period on Galio and find that Electrocute or Comet is better, along with secondaries being Demolish and Bone plating. Electrocute or Comet can really help during that lane phase while you tank up imo.

xDogMeatxAug 28, 20191 votes

i saw the scalings his passive scales on MR by 60% (theres hope for MR galio yay).

ShyImagoghnarAug 28, 20191 votes

if "ap version of malphite" means they get MR from their kit, that'd be mundo

Support PositionAug 29, 20191 votes

Used to be Galio, isnt anymore.

Maokai Started to pick this guy up as support rush the item 3065 and good lord he doesn't die. Its amazing.

EDIT: you'll die a F--- load before though.

xDogMeatxAug 29, 20191 votes

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Used to be Galio, isnt anymore.

Started to pick this guy up as support rush the and good lord he doesn't die. Its amazing.

EDIT: you'll die a F--- load before though.

well its still galio is anti ap but its not as strong at ap dmg absorption as maokai but he makes up for his with MR scaling. maokai however his healing is crazy strong.

Support PositionAug 29, 20191 votes

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well its still galio is anti ap but its not as strong at ap dmg absorption as maokai but he makes up for his with MR scaling. maokai however his healing is crazy strong.

The problem with Galio is why build tank items that are worse than damage?

Maokai is the opposite. Build MR and HP = More healing. And makes you unkillable so...

Galio doesn't have anything anymore and is just a useless shell of his pre-rework self :/