the adc needs the support to help them look good.

xDogMeatx·Dec 27, 2019·17 votes·10,633 views

the supports are the ADCS early game while late game it shifts to the carrys turn to return the favor. we should respect the yin/yang thats adc/support.

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MalfectiousDec 28, 20199 votes

I play both...supports win lane....adc wins games

Count ReavyrDec 28, 20191 votes

This sums it up

KrynnˉDec 28, 20191 votes

Yep, Support HARD wins the early game. Top laners will fear a good Jayce/Riven. Junglers will fear a good Lee Sin/Rek'Sai. Wait until you see my boi Nautilus. This guy will actually knee cap you. Like... by himself almost.

MalfectiousDec 28, 20191 votes

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Yep, Support HARD wins the early game. Top laners will fear a good Jayce/Riven. Junglers will fear a good Lee Sin/Rek'Sai. Wait until you see my boi Nautilus. This guy will actually knee cap you. Like... by himself almost.

I do love smacking people with my stun anchor Nautilus

Legendary AyachiDec 28, 20191 votes

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I play both...supports win lane....adc wins games

Unfortunately some ADC mains are too entitled and they cannot understand that and think of Supports as their personal dogs. And cause a tantrum whenever Supports "have too much agency over our entire class!". The ADC mains that are happy and are laughing at the Support nerfs are just selfish and pathetic as they cannot see that they are LESS likely to be protected from ganks/roams/teleports now.

KrynnˉDec 28, 20191 votes

Believe it or not, I actually rarely see ADC players hard flame the support. I'm a Support main, it happens a lot less then people think. The odd time I actually have a toxic ADC, they are much more inclined to blame the teams mid laner or jungler than me as the support as they feel entitled to roams or ganks.

If we get 4 man dove bot lane for example, I am pretty much, never, the person who gets flamed in this situation for example. At this point though, I'm just muting people if anything is said in chat by anyone.

Fargo79Dec 28, 20191 votes

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I play both...supports win lane....adc wins games

well you got half of it right... i have had plenty of games where we won lane hard and the adc then went to the land of OZ and almost cost us the game.. or the other team counter builds or counter fights cause of the adc and we lose.. so no adc's dont always win us games.. it helps but id take a solid comp over a fed ADC any day of the week..

LordGeovanniDec 29, 20191 votes

U cant counter build adcs they build crit and lifesteal and win. Armor is a slight counter to ad but cant overshaddow armor or fighters and assassins cry but crit then items doubleing the effect of ad and more when they have I E futher increasing crit damage and items critting magic damage. Dopy adcs gonna be dopy whether they fed or surrounded by people to peel for them. But anyone who has to good sense to auto attack and right click the enemy will more than likely carry as they have bat shit damage Can get massive penetration late game and more than likely has some one building black cleaver and shredding armor unless its a 3-4 mage team. at which point no one can afford to build armor just to slow you down.

Daddy AntsDec 28, 20191 votes

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I play both...supports win lane....adc wins games

That's only true if the Support actually knows how to play the role and doesn't completely shit on the ADC's early game.

ADC success is in the hands of the support.

A bad Support usually means a useless ADC.

A bad ADC usually means the Support can make plays elsewhere and still remain useful.

LordGeovanniDec 29, 20191 votes

Bad adc means lost game no matter how you want to make the support useful adcs ultimately hold the power in the form of damage. CC doesnt kill you doesnt take towers and doesnt stop pushes damage does.

SylaelqueDec 28, 20194 votes

In Dota 2, support players always sacrifice themselves for keeping their carry alive or let them get kills but in LoL they are so selfish which some of them only cares about their kda and always stays back with full hp while ADC has to farm 1v2 which is so frustrating and then they blame how bad ADC is but in the truth, these selfish supports haven't done anything useful in the lane and ADC never got the chance of showing skills so in my opinion better support wins botlane with creating right moments for letting ADC shine.

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xDogMeatxDec 28, 20193 votes

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In Dota 2, support players always sacrifice themselves for keeping their carry alive or let them get kills but in LoL they are so selfish which some of them only cares about their kda and always stays back with full hp while ADC has to farm 1v2 which is so frustrating and then they say how bad you are but in the truth, they haven't done anything useful in the lane so you never got the chance showing your skills.

thats true the supports provide openings to allow adcs to shine.

Blue ShiftDec 28, 20192 votes

-12 votes when speaking the truth, never forget that more than half of the lol forums are ADC players.

WAHHH nerf assassins please WAHHHH, caitlyn one shots tanks with her very high skill based kit that requires 1000 iq to use.

Ana MihajlovskiDec 28, 20194 votes

Ego of some delusional ADC players makes me wish to learn another role to play

xDogMeatxDec 28, 20191 votes

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Ego of some delusional ADC players makes me wish to learn another role to play

let me be honest here as a silver eloed ADC (since i only play to gold 4 as Nasus on top lane with a help of a stacking guide if im ahead or behind) i let me support do the talking first as in ill let them CC the target and if it looks safe as in the enemy support is not a kill threat ill go in and thank them for trying even if we fail it maybe 2 for 1 but at least i dont leave them behind since i gotta commit at least take one enemy before i die.

KrynnˉDec 28, 20191 votes

I've actually seen very few of these players with a few exceptions for a minority of Vayne Draven one-tricks as a support main myself.

I find that most ADC players actually tend to tilt less often because they have the mind-set of "oh, I'm f--cked right now but I can just afk farm and be fine later" (with the few exceptions of Vayne one-tricks).

The ego players are usually the people who play the early game hard fall off champions that if they don't win early just give up and flame everyone (like Renekton or Rengar ).

WoonStruckDec 28, 20194 votes

If ADCs stop AFKing, maybe I'll respect them.

Supports are generally far better human beings.

ProphetOfDravenDec 28, 20193 votes

People need to stop thinking the ADC and support stuff is all special, its not a 2v2 game, its a 5v5 game. Your entire team needs the support and the ADC and the ADC and support need the entire team. The support is simply there to help the ADC survive laning the long lane that is the bot lane. They aren't the adc's support, they are the ENTIRE TEAMS support. Also ADC's need to realize that while they are the carries, they aren't play makers. They are right click bots, and need to follow the decisions of everyone else on the team. Too many ADC's have no respect for their supports. Well for valid reason though, a quarter of your supports are autofills, a quarter are mage players that don't know how to lane so they just que support, and the last half are egirls playing enchanters standing behind you the entire laning phase.

ManaragerDec 29, 20191 votes

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People need to stop thinking the ADC and support stuff is all special, its not a 2v2 game, its a 5v5 game. Your entire team needs the support and the ADC and the ADC and support need the entire team. The support is simply there to help the ADC survive laning the long lane that is the bot lane. They aren't the adc's support, they are the ENTIRE TEAMS support. Also ADC's need to realize that while they are the carries, they aren't play makers. They are right click bots, and need to follow the decisions of everyone else on the team. Too many ADC's have no respect for their supports. Well for valid reason though, a quarter of your supports are autofills, a quarter are mage players that don't know how to lane so they just que support, and the last half are egirls playing enchanters standing behind you the entire laning phase.

You missed the quarter of the support mains that play hard playmakers like the Nautilus, Leona, and so on mains. Disregarding them is basically like saying there are no support mains

ProphetOfDravenDec 29, 20191 votes

They don't exist in my elo, because they all climbed already.

AZ FrostDec 28, 20193 votes

Unless you have a Brand, Pyke, Zac, Senna, etc that carry the team off the damg they produce off "support" items, but ya it should be a give and take.

KrynnˉDec 28, 20192 votes

I'd argue a Thresh Leona Nautilus would carry significantly harder though. Especially in the late game. These champions can actually knee cap alot of the traditional "annoying" picks. It's fun to just walk up to a MasterYi Yasuo as , auto him and just land lock him for a good 3 seconds and watch him die in place doing nothing.

Champions like aren't actually in a very good spot at the moment.

crispy66Dec 29, 20193 votes

As an ADC main since season 4 i would be genuinely happy for the first time of my life if Riot would remove the role of support entirely or to be less harsh, move them top or mid, 1v1 adc bot lane is a dream i wish to come true, i used to play a lot of twisted tree line to solo lane before it was removed sadly, also top laners cry when you take a ranged top lane even though ADC's are easy to dive and shut down.

A man can dream.

Clockwork MouseDec 29, 20191 votes

My dream is that ADCs have a chance to survive burst if they have more than 75% of their HP.

PzyXoDec 28, 20192 votes

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KrynnˉDec 28, 20191 votes

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I hate the botlane so much just because you're delusional. I may respect the support, but who respects the ADC? None, every game the ADC is the most hated person if there is no troller. Because the ADC is so selfish...

Ah, I see you haven't met the Jungler.

On a side note, everyone bitches about every role given the circumstance. If the enemy top laner TP's bot lane and gets a kill? Your top laner is an idiot. Enemy mid roams top? Mid is useless. Jungle dies during a gank? Jungle is mentally ill. ADC doesn't position correctly? Support is usless. Support doesn't peel for the ADC (assuming it's a Braum or something)? ADC is useless.

Everyone has a very important role to play in the game, and everyone will blame you for not playing your role optimally.

mark6028Dec 28, 20191 votes

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Ah, I see you haven't met the Jungler.

On a side note, everyone bitches about every role given the circumstance. If the enemy top laner TP's bot lane and gets a kill? Your top laner is an idiot. Enemy mid roams top? Mid is useless. Jungle dies during a gank? Jungle is mentally ill. ADC doesn't position correctly? Support is usless. Support doesn't peel for the ADC (assuming it's a Braum or something)? ADC is useless.

Everyone has a very important role to play in the game, and everyone will blame you for not playing your role optimally.

Those were the times when playing toplane "optimally" wasn't "tp botlane" but toplane being a carry role themselves.

ParoeDec 28, 20191 votes

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Those were the times when playing toplane "optimally" wasn't "tp botlane" but toplane being a carry role themselves.

Top lane is still a carry potential role. You just need to pick a marksman or an ultra mobile AoE duelist. With friends, ive had success playing two marksmen, two enchanter supports, and a zone mage mid. Marksmen will hard push, fall back to clear a camp or two, then come back to push some more with the help of an enchanter. If either top or bot gets ahead in that set up it means that mid is as good as gotten because either can rotate to put a TON of pressure on mid, or the top support can rotate mid or bot to help.

Ionian VulpixDec 29, 20191 votes

How the hell were you supposed to carry as a top laner if you didn't assist other lanes? Were you supposed to just stay top and continue pushing? They have champs like Tryndamere and Yorick for that.

Minimac2000Dec 28, 20191 votes

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Ah, I see you haven't met the Jungler.

On a side note, everyone bitches about every role given the circumstance. If the enemy top laner TP's bot lane and gets a kill? Your top laner is an idiot. Enemy mid roams top? Mid is useless. Jungle dies during a gank? Jungle is mentally ill. ADC doesn't position correctly? Support is usless. Support doesn't peel for the ADC (assuming it's a Braum or something)? ADC is useless.

Everyone has a very important role to play in the game, and everyone will blame you for not playing your role optimally.

Nah, as a top laner I can tell you if the enemy mid laner roams top, as long as mid isn't inting, I'm blaming my jungler :) A lot of mids can't really follow their lane opponent so if they ping it really makes it totally my fault, but why would I admit that if I have a jungler to take the blame?

Blue ShiftDec 28, 20192 votes

Would be true if the ADC class wasn't incredibly power creeped to the point that almost every single ADC wins early as well.

Tristana, Lucian, Vayne, Caitlyn, Senna, Quinn, Twitch all very good in solo lanes.

Supports are there because traditionally an ADC needed a duo to help them, being walking wards later on. Now ADC can 1v1 nearly everyone top and mid lane, while the supports straight up 1v5 games if you pick the right champion.

Daddy AntsDec 29, 20191 votes

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Tristana, Lucian, Vayne, Caitlyn, Senna, Quinn, Twitch all very good in solo lanes.

Solo lane Caitlyn? Whatever you're smoking pass some my way.

Tristana, Lucian and Vayne are situational counterpicks in solo lanes and should NEVER be blind picked.

Twitch in any lane except bot or jungle is trolling. Jungle Twitch is a cheese pick, nothing more.

Senna, idk after the nerfs.

ShtUpnSwaIIowItDec 28, 20191 votes

Na...no wtf game champs r u playing? In what world does the carry become the support later on. The carry needs the supp 10x more later on. well assuming also u have A support not some dmb ass full ap lux. side note . lux players always maximizing that shield damage. god like

xDogMeatxDec 28, 20191 votes

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Na...no wtf game champs r u playing? In what world does the carry become the support later on. The carry needs the supp 10x more later on. well assuming also u have A support not some dmb ass full ap lux. side note . lux players always maximizing that shield damage. god like

what im saying is that the adc was weaker back then therefore cant do much about their damage being so low so after they have the right items to hurt the enemy team they can actively start to carry and yes the support will have their back regardless its just the adc being more reliable at that point

Sir SaltarinDec 28, 20191 votes

What

NelsieLisnenDec 28, 20191 votes

Except if your support picks Sona. Then ADC needs to be a solo laner with a feeder on his team.

SałemDec 28, 20191 votes

Depends on the elo if it not master + than that ying-yang is not true ... they cant carry shit or the support is afk in the lane ... you can watch LS playing sydra support and roaming lanes and getting kills for top and mid while the adc had one job to freeze the lane and enjoy the free win but not she pushes the lane and dies in 1 v 1 the ying-yang concept is not for low elo ( in my opinion that is everything below master rank ) sorry man I know I get downvotes for this comments but you can't expect that from players that have no clue how to play the game.

RedCycloneDec 28, 20191 votes

Then what does that say about supports who are weak early and strong late e.g Sona/Taric...

JRobin31Dec 28, 20191 votes

Except when you find out in-game that your Top and Bot are a duo and they are ditching you (the support) in bot lane so that they can play two vs one in the top lane...

Then, you just have to carry their feeding butts with an S+ by playing one vs three (enemy jungler trying to farm you). True Story.

FlashesDec 29, 20191 votes

Until it's one of those mage "supports" in which case it's really just the Support in both early and late

spookdegraceDec 29, 20191 votes

People have forgotten ADC and support are one unit. One of the really bad things that have come out of all these lethality supports being made lately is that adc's often have little to no peel for mid late game

Daddy AntsDec 29, 20191 votes

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People have forgotten ADC and support are one unit. One of the really bad things that have come out of all these lethality supports being made lately is that adc's often have little to no peel for mid late game

Across the board direct nerfs to Blitzcrank Leona Nautilus Pyke Senna and we should see peel supports come back.

Either that or slow the games down.

Baron BarianDec 29, 20191 votes

Instructions not clear. Maining Senna now.

Clockwork MouseDec 29, 20191 votes

The ADC needs to go free farm top lane and leave bot to the mages [sg-ahri-2]

xDogMeatxDec 29, 20191 votes

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The ADC needs to go free farm top lane and leave bot to the mages [sg-ahri-2]

if they designed the dragons to be random, adcs would be placed mid to control both sides imo. i believe mages would be bot lane

LordGeovanniDec 29, 20191 votes

Nah i just help adcs and give them a free lane and they turn around to run away from every fight while they super fed and leave me to die because i dont have as many good ways to run from a fight.