Don't backtalk the jungler. He's in every lane AND the jungle. He has the larger picture in mind when making a decision. Objective control is the onus of jungle play, not kills, not satisfying the whims of laners. Go to objectives when the jungler pings, and ignore at your own risk. No other role has more responsibility.
FooDang2 votesWhat? Aphromoo is a shotcaller and so is doublelift and Bjergson. All of which do not play jungle so you opinion is invalid
Incognonymous1 votesWhat? Aphromoo is a shotcaller and so is doublelift and Bjergson. All of which do not play jungle so you opinion is invalid
I don't know who these people are. If they're pro, it's irrelevant. No one posting in Gameplay plays at their level. Is it so hard to accept that the game should be played differently at different levels?
FooDang4 votesYou must be new since at least one of those players has been in the pro scene NA since season 1. So your opinion is invalid due to how new you are and pretty much your just wrong lol.
Incognonymous1 votesYou must be new since at least one of those players has been in the pro scene NA since season 1. So your opinion is invalid due to how new you are and pretty much your just wrong lol.
Been playing since season 2. 2011. I don't watch pro play. It's incredibly boring. Not that being new would invalidate my opinion, you donut. That's an appeal to authority, a logical fallacy which is embarrassingly common here.
FooDang1 votesDoesn't matter. I used to main ADC and I main Support now. I'm usually the one directing the game with pings and rotations no matter what role I am. The one making sound decisions is the one that is "Team Captain" not some idiot jungle. Junglers can shotcall but not all of them can.
Incognonymous1 votesDoesn't matter. I used to main ADC and I main Support now. I'm usually the one directing the game with pings and rotations no matter what role I am. The one making sound decisions is the one that is "Team Captain" not some idiot jungle. Junglers can shotcall but not all of them can.
This isn't about some self-important support getting carried and pretending he's important. It's about the jungler being the most dynamic and important role. They're simply in a better place to direct the flow of the game.
Especially compared to a support xD
this guy
FooDang2 votesDownvotes say you are wrong lolz
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Incognonymous1 votesDownvotes say you are wrong lolz
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Gameplay is full of profligates who should be drug out into the street and whipped for their insolence. This isn't a popularity contest. I'm spitting hard truths and these dumb kids would rather defend feeders than own up to the reality that the onus of this game is botlane, was botlane, and forever will be botlane, and that that's bad for the game.
EDIT: Wrong thread
Reread my posts in this thread for why you are wrong and dumb about junglers. Read my other thread on why botlane is the scourge of this game.
FooDang3 votesThematically, yes JG should shotcall. In reality, not all of them can and need to get their hand held. End of story.
Incognonymous1 votesThematically, yes JG should shotcall. In reality, not all of them can and need to get their hand held. End of story.
A compromise I'm willing to accept. The responsibility is team wide, it just so happens that thematically the jungler's roles better suit them to making a large part of the decisions.
Mig892 votesNobody's role entitles them to make decisions. Map awareness and the experience of the player do. That's common sense. Your post is reaching and assuming.
Zerenza2 votesShot calling is based on who is the best at shot calling, the jungler might be but it's not the jungler's job especially in LCS but were not talking about them. A shotcaller is who makes the best decisions around the map, in solo Q it makes sense to put that on the jungler or mid laner at first but if either of them are having trouble keeping up with their enemy, for example if the enemy jungler is ganking every lane and getting something out of it while yours is doing nothing and complaining about why your all bad then chances are you shouldn't let him shot-call. In addition with macro play things you should really watch your jungler and mid laner's way of playing, if your jungler isn't ganking much on a champion that does gank a lot and they never seem to understand where the enemy is(which is much more important than ganking) while also making idiotic decisions such as diving someone at level 2 and dying, i see it a lot, then that person probably shouldn't be your shot-caller. Understanding whether your ally can make decisions or if they can read the enemy well enough is hard in Solo Q so shot-calling should be left up to everyone not just the jungler because your one random stranger, why should your team trust you? Is it cause you think your right because they probably don't think so and you should prove your a good shot-caller with your game play not simply because your a jungler.
I had a jungler last game that prioritized a Mountain Dragon over Rift Herald, but the reason why i(mid laner) wanted rift herald is because the entire enemy team had just died and we could use it to snowball the game out of control, not to mention why get mountain drake when rift herald is up because rift herald will flat out get towers not help you do it yourself.
Incognonymous1 votesShot calling is based on who is the best at shot calling, the jungler might be but it's not the jungler's job especially in LCS but were not talking about them. A shotcaller is who makes the best decisions around the map, in solo Q it makes sense to put that on the jungler or mid laner at first but if either of them are having trouble keeping up with their enemy, for example if the enemy jungler is ganking every lane and getting something out of it while yours is doing nothing and complaining about why your all bad then chances are you shouldn't let him shot-call. In addition with macro play things you should really watch your jungler and mid laner's way of playing, if your jungler isn't ganking much on a champion that does gank a lot and they never seem to understand where the enemy is(which is much more important than ganking) while also making idiotic decisions such as diving someone at level 2 and dying, i see it a lot, then that person probably shouldn't be your shot-caller. Understanding whether your ally can make decisions or if they can read the enemy well enough is hard in Solo Q so shot-calling should be left up to everyone not just the jungler because your one random stranger, why should your team trust you? Is it cause you think your right because they probably don't think so and you should prove your a good shot-caller with your game play not simply because your a jungler.
That may be true for ranked teams. I mean in a very general sense, if you're playing with four randoms, the jungler is naturally the best suited for driving the focus of the game due to the responsibilities of their role.
Opened Legs2 votesHis point still stands though. This isn't just applying for ranked teams. It applies to all games that have a jungler's presence. You are right. Generally the jungler would be best suited for driving the focus of the game as they are the one with the most responsibility as well as map control and pressure throughout the game, assuming it's 5v5. However, because of the majority of people's ego and lack of understanding the game to it's fullest, it's hard to argue that the jungler should be the team captain that shot calls objectives because you don't know their skill level. I'm assuming you post this thread because you think or know or feel that you are a competent jungler that knows where the enemy jungler approximately is and will gank. If you have the necessity skills of what a jungler should be doing along with micro mechanics, then yes you deserve every right to call yourself a shot caller. Otherwise, shot calling should be a cooperation and judgement of the ones that would make the best choices for the outcome of the victory in the game.
Zerenza1 votesI mean naturally yes it is but it takes a good league player as a whole not just being a jungler to be a good shot-caller. For example, i wouldn't want a jungler who only play's jungle to shot-call, if they haven't played the other roles then they don't understand what the other roles are going through and can't help them towards obtaining victory.
To be a good shot-caller you need to have a grasp of everything in the game, your micro and macro play needs to be on top of everyone elses, you need to know where everyone is going to be at crucial times and where your team needs to be at crucial times. Faker and Bjergsen aren't just good shot-caller's in LCS but also in solo Q, Bjergsen is arguably better at it than faker as well considering how often Faker dies to ganks that he didn't see coming. Bjergsen knows exactly what to do and where to be, how to play his lane and what his allies are going through, so "naturally" he's the best choice to be a shot-caller.
For anyone to be a shot-caller you need to have all those things, it takes much more than being a jungler to be a shot-caller. Just because a jungler is responsible for map pressure(mainly) doesn't mean they're responsible for shot-calling because it takes more than just map pressure and awareness to shot-call.
Rewt1 votesSorry bud but you are just wrong. I do main jungle and I do shot call alot, But shotcalling is not inherently the junglers job.
Jungler should call dragons and the such because they have smite. They have the secure for the objective. But when it comes to engaging fights that call should go to the primary initiator (generally speaking the top laner) Now occasionally you are playing an engage jungle like Sejuani. In this case yes. You also call engages. But other times your Mid laner will ping the "Lets GTFO" because they have longer cooldowns and know that you cant fight.
TLDR: Shot Calling is fluid and each role has its individual things it needs to do to keep the team in line. While jungle should call most dragon takes and baron takes, that is only 1 part of the game and other roles are better suited for shot calling other parts of the game.
Incognonymous1 votesSorry bud but you are just wrong. I do main jungle and I do shot call alot, But shotcalling is not inherently the junglers job.
Jungler should call dragons and the such because they have smite. They have the secure for the objective. But when it comes to engaging fights that call should go to the primary initiator (generally speaking the top laner) Now occasionally you are playing an engage jungle like Sejuani. In this case yes. You also call engages. But other times your Mid laner will ping the "Lets GTFO" because they have longer cooldowns and know that you cant fight.
TLDR: Shot Calling is fluid and each role has its individual things it needs to do to keep the team in line. While jungle should call most dragon takes and baron takes, that is only 1 part of the game and other roles are better suited for shot calling other parts of the game.
You just said I was wrong and went on to list a bunch of reasons and exceptions where I was explicitly right.
Please, make up your mind.
Rewt1 votesWhile in some situations the Jungle is the shotcaller He isnt inherently the team captain. You are stating in your post that the jungler should be the one in charge and literally be the team captain. Im stating that shotcalling is fluid and should be done to each individual champions strenghts. As I would never try and call engages in a soloq environment when playing ivern. It just wont go well.
MR KIMCHI SENPAI1 votesjungler is team's bitch.
he listens to everyone and gives orders to no one.
only shows up when spoken to.
k?
Know your place and sit the fuck down.
Incognonymous1 votes[{quoted}](name=MR KIMCHI SENPAI,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dg7WT0Xh,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-05-12T17:16:01.774+0000)
jungler is team's bitch.
he listens to everyone and gives orders to no one.
only shows up when spoken to.
k?
Know your place and sit the fuck down.
Ever know a jungler to come when called?
Me neither.
Mig891 votesI've seen the mighty jungler make decisions on when to tank and just hand free kills out. I've seen it with every role enough to not trust anyone's shot calling ever unless they prove it every game
69469238DEL11 votesI would say Mid laner has the most say
Magical Zoe1 votesI main support, and usually i'm the one shotcalling...jungler may have the most responsibility, but good supports have a better impact.[slayer-jinx-wink]
Micbran1 votesIt's just whoever takes command. Or whoever looks at the map the most.