They then followed up by saying that 8.2 will be a larger patch. Considering that the 8.1 cycle happened during holiday break it is kinda ridiculous to expect them to make a lot of changes for 8.1 in the first place. So if you could stop complaining about it that would be great.
Milton Fletcher9 votestrue lol.
the balance team needed some time off for the holidays.
after 
and such they must have been so exhausted doing absolutely nothing but ruin the game with unnecessary changes for the next couple of months.
a good nights sleep will fix that.
Ahristocats8 voteswhat are the complains about in the first place?
top lane unneeded support changes uncalled nerfs uncalled buffs lack of nerfs for some champions (alistar)
i don't see anything fixed with this "larger" patch or "smaller" patch
edit: oh and snowball lol this minus 5 golds on triumph is for sure going to fixe snowballing give me a bloody break
Penns2 voteswhat are the complains about in the first place?
top lane unneeded support changes uncalled nerfs uncalled buffs lack of nerfs for some champions (alistar)
Fizz shud be reverted*
Ahristocats2 votesgive up already
the chances for fizz to be reverted are lower than me winning the lotery
or darius being buffed hehehe
Penns2 votesif rengar Q gets reverted to an auto attack, I #berieve [vlad-salute]
Akali is SO HOT4 votesWell people are complaining about 8.1 not fixing anything. Idc if you complain about the current PBE cycle not doing anything tho that's fine.
Ahristocats2 votesoh welp, the sidebob queen decided that i can complain
AirKingNeo1 votesYeah, but 8.1 is still a patch and, rather than fix issues that are small (like Jayce alone as a champion, or Bramble vest alone as an item), it nerfs Kayle and Heimer because they're unpopular and no one is going to defend them.
ZephyrDrake2 votes[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ddPa15a4,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-11T21:35:52.658+0000)
what are the complains about in the first place?
top lane unneeded support changes uncalled nerfs uncalled buffs lack of nerfs for some champions (alistar)
i don't see anything fixed with this "larger" patch or "smaller" patch
edit: oh and snowball lol this minus 5 golds on triumph is for sure going to fixe snowballing give me a bloody break
wow it's like the PBE cycle has just started and not everything is there yet... if we did every single little thing that the boards want the game would be even more broken than it already is
Ahristocats5 votesalistar isn't going to be nerfed yet he has 53% win rate and 20% pick rate
i already know which champion is being nerfed and buffed thanks to meddler's gameplay posts blitz is going to be nerfed because meddler hates him heimer got nerfed for no reasons kayle too supports are being a priority over top lane, explain that with a logic arguing jinx buff out of nowhere when ADC ARE OVERBEARING RIGHT NOW
bot lane is legit the onlything that matter, fuck top lane instead of nerfing every adcs that are problematic we're powercreeping the game harder and make jinx problematic too by reverting the nerf that tuned her down AND making her able to ignore attack speed cap with passive
ZephyrDrake1 votes[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ddPa15a4,comment-id=000000020000,timestamp=2018-01-11T23:13:12.996+0000)
alistar isn't going to be nerfed yet he has 53% win rate and 20% pick rate
i already know which champion is being nerfed and buffed thanks to meddler's gameplay posts blitz is going to be nerfed because meddler hates him heimer got nerfed for no reasons kayle too supports are being a priority over top lane, explain that with a logic arguing jinx buff out of nowhere when ADC ARE OVERBEARING RIGHT NOW
bot lane is legit the onlything that matter, fuck top lane instead of nerfing every adcs that are problematic we're powercreeping the game harder and make jinx problematic too by reverting the nerf that tuned her down AND making her able to ignore attack speed cap with passive
rito why don't you do exactly what i want you to do!? 3 at most 4 ADCs are overbearing so every single ADC needs to suffer! one is strong then they all need to be nerfed and never buffed! Who cares if Jinx is a terrible champion atm she is an ADC so she most never be touched in a positive matter!
Rito do every i tell you because i know better than everyone! rito why aren't you following every single little thing i want you to do!? only I matter RITO!
Ahristocats4 votes3 at most 4 ADCs are overbearing s
Lul nice meme bro 10/10
bot lane impact is definitly not out of hand
if they nerfed tristana twitch vayne ezreal, you know jinx would have been great again but welp fuck it let's powercreep the game even more
ZephyrDrake1 votes[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ddPa15a4,comment-id=00000002000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-11T23:22:07.327+0000)
Lul nice meme bro 10/10
bot lane impact is definitly not out of hand
if they nerfed tristana twitch vayne ezreal, you know jinx would have been great again but welp fuck it let's powercreep the game even more
you just named 4 ADCs... please tell me which others are "overbearing". MF is dead, Ashe, Varus and Jhin are dead... Lucian? please. Jinx? please. It's literally the same 3-4 ADCs every single game with the others being played just because people like playing them. Yes we could nerf the top ADCs that won't change anything for the weak ones. Jinx hasn't been good in forever, nerfing the top ones isn't going to make her great all of a sudden. She is still going to suck
Ahristocats4 votesadcs have all different archetype
the archetype of hypercarries are being oppressive af right now, and instead of nerfing them riot buffed the only hypercarry that doesn't spike at lvl 9 (jinx)
ashe and varus and jhin are not dead, they're being overshadowed by better picks that should be nerfed (and LUL mf isn't dead )
jinx should not be buffed, twitch tristana and vayne should be brought at her level jinx is the only hypercarry that is actually a late game champion and instead of nerfing other hypercarry early/mid game they made jinx a monster at lvl 9 once again AND EVEN WORSE as they buffed her passive in addition
56% win rate champion inc
ZephyrDrake1 votes[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ddPa15a4,comment-id=0000000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-11T23:30:18.640+0000)
adcs have all different archetype
the archetype of hypercarries are being oppressive af right now, and instead of nerfing them riot buffed the only hypercarry that doesn't spike at lvl 9 (jinx)
ashe and varus and jhin are not dead, they're being overshadowed by better picks that should be nerfed (and LUL mf isn't dead )
jinx should not be buffed, twitch tristana and vayne should be brought at her level jinx is the only hypercarry that is actually a late game champion and instead of nerfing other hypercarry early/mid game they made jinx a monster at lvl 9 once again AND EVEN WORSE as they buffed her passive in addition
56% win rate champion inc
oh so you mean that Twitch, Tristana and vayne should be brought down to "why even bother picking this thing ever?" level? because that's literally what Jinx has been for about a year now? maybe even more? I am glad that you are not part of the balance team.
Death by Glamour3 votesIts to prevent even more powercreep. You know that thing which has been slowly wrecking this game.
ZephyrDrake1 votes[{quoted}](name=Pink Leg Warmers,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ddPa15a4,comment-id=000000020000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-12T00:18:44.310+0000)
Its to prevent even more powercreep. You know that thing which has been slowly wrecking this game.
"screw every single champion because powercreep" sure great logic
Death by Glamour2 votesHardly
What will happen if they dont nerf the hyper carries down?
They will have to buff cait draven and mf again to keep them down
And the cycle begins anew.
ZephyrDrake1 votes[{quoted}](name=Pink Leg Warmers,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ddPa15a4,comment-id=00000002000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-12T01:10:10.721+0000)
Hardly
What will happen if they dont nerf the hyper carries down?
They will have to buff cait draven and mf again to keep them down
And the cycle begins anew.
Vayne is getting nerfed and she is the #1 culprit atm. Where the others will end up? will something come up that can deal with them? Draven last "buff" is the same buff that happened to every single champion in the game since they lost the stats they would have gotten from runes previously so if you want to count that as a buff go ahead after that all he ever got were nerfs and bugfixes
Death by Glamour1 votesAnd his previous one was just after the buffs to vaynes Q half way through season 7
LordGeovanni1 votesScrew them how? adcs only have to compete with each other in terms of power because they are in a power class of their own that champions from other classes cant even enter
ZephyrDrake1 votesScrew them how? adcs only have to compete with each other in terms of power because they are in a power class of their own that champions from other classes cant even enter
that is why they get destroyed by pretty much everything that has some form of burst or poke if they are by themselves... that is why they need a support to hump them the entire game so that something doesn't just come and blow them up with no effort whatsoever... yeah they are a power class of their own... just like every single other class is a power class of their own that ADCs (nor other classes) can even enter
LordGeovanni1 votesYou mean what is supposed to counter what are supposed to be safe ranged and therefore not durable dps but high damage over long periods of time characters. Burst counters champions who build absolutely no defense wow never would have guessed. But as it stands now they do that same burst to every other class and through defense and with no down time.
ZephyrDrake1 votesYou mean what is supposed to counter what are supposed to be safe ranged and therefore not durable dps but high damage over long periods of time characters. Burst counters champions who build absolutely no defense wow never would have guessed. But as it stands now they do that same burst to every other class and through defense and with no down time.
i have destroyed ADCs with tanks. I am sorry you only know how to run in a straight line into them. I am sorry you have no idea how to flank, or use any of your champions actual abilities. A lone ADC is not going to do anything unless he is fed beyond belief or you are so far behind that everyone could destroy you. The game is not about 1v1ing people. i am sorry you seem to think that 1v1 is all the game is about
LordGeovanni1 votesAdcs are never alone. And there is no counterplay against that. you have to be fed out of your mind with ap items to be able to 1v1 an adc. and tanks are not supposed to flank they are supposed to be able to run up to people survive taking damage for a good amount of time and and then run away if they arent getting heals and shields from supporst (which adcs monopolize all of). My problem isnt that teams can come together to peel tanks off of adcs its that adcs can do that themselves and have free excapes in their back pocket all the time
AirKingNeo2 votesJinx is 'why bother picking' because she's outclassed by Twitch, Tristana, and Vayne. She's perfectly fair against Jhin, Varus, and Ashe
Even if you argued she wasn't too great against those, the buff they are giving her is the not the kind of buff that is tiny enough to be considered a 'fair' buff.
ZephyrDrake1 votesJinx is 'why bother picking' because she's outclassed by Twitch, Tristana, and Vayne. She's perfectly fair against Jhin, Varus, and Ashe
Even if you argued she wasn't too great against those, the buff they are giving her is the not the kind of buff that is tiny enough to be considered a 'fair' buff.
yet she was nowhere to be seen when those ADCs were strong... She has been a mediocre pick at best for the longest time. These "buffs" are just a way of making her actually do something before max lvl. She at Max rank Q now she can attain 95% bonus attack speed... that is being increased to 130% at max rank... if you bother maxing Q first. If you decided to Max Q second? then right now she would have 115% bonus AS...
She isn't getting that huge of a buff. She isn't getting the AS she used to get before from masteries nor runes so that keeps her early game in check. She needs to be commit to even get that extra AS. Her rocket form isn't getting buffed in any way other than making it not awkward when you switch to it. I am sorry that a mediocre champion at best is getting a buff she actually needed a long time ago. I am sorry that your hate against ADCs has blinded you so. Jinx is not in a good spot no matter how you look at it. The PBE cycle isn't over yet so they can still iterate on it. They can lower her damage a bit in the early game if they see she is actually too strong. But as of now? Jinx currently isn't even a champion until the game is almost over... unless you get fed somehow
AirKingNeo1 votesNo shit she wasn't picked? Why would she be? It's not a hypercarry meta when Ashe is top tier!
ZephyrDrake1 votesshe is not picked when it's the hypercarry meta... she is not picked when she is "fair" against champions that are meta... she is not picked when it's a meta of early game bullies... she is not picked regardless of whatever meta is on. When a meta that is literally gifted to her due to how much it favors her and she still is not being picked? She is not in a good spot. Jinx is not being picked at all. She is not favored in any situation other than "let's hope to god i can actually reach a stage of the game that is very rarely reached without the game already being on it's way out!"
Tell me when is Jinx at all in her current state ever being at the bare minimum an "ok" choice? You would think almost every single other ADC before thinking of even picking her. You don't like that she is being buffed? that's fine. Doesn't change the fact that she needs a buff since she is never anything more than a mediocre champion if even that much
Infernape1 votesEz has a pretty hard nerf on the PBE. His Q's base damage is getting reduced to 15/40/65/90/115 from 35/55/75/95/115.
Honestly, I think they just need to change Shiv and RFC stacking. Reduce Relic's capabilities for ranged champions and buff Thresh to compensate, and slightly increase the price of crit items.
Also buff Cait because she flat out sucks and can easily bully pretty much every out of hand ADC. I mean Cait is meant to be Vayne's worst if not second worst ADC matchup and Vayne has a positive win rate against Cait.
Ahristocats1 votesi'm a cait player myself and she is good and doesn't need buffs
cait mains and probably everyone else would call for cait buffs because she has 47% win rate
truth is that whenever she doesn't play against a broken adc she does fine
Infernape1 votesSo it's them reducing her win rate. That's one way to look at it. Tbh I personally think the problem lies in how cheap crit as a stat is. Not to mention Shiv's damage when it crits.
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boi Im glad i learned to count before i even entered preschool. else something embarrassing like this might happen.
it must take inventing something on par with E=mC^2 to realize that some one isnt fixing the problem but compounding it.
ZephyrDrake1 votes1
Jhin is not relevant at all, Xayah is not relevant at all, MF is not relevant at all, Cait is not relevant at all. Draven isn't any greater either... so that's 5 that got removed... The we have Kalista that is in the borders of useful or useless... So that leaves with Trist, Ezreal, Twitch and Vayne... and two of them are getting nerfed next patch at the bare minimum.
You can name random ass champions doesn't mean anything at all when half of them aren't anything. They were useful in the past, now? not really
AirKingNeo1 votesMost PBE changes come in the first 3 days.
Void Baboon RF3 votesSo is this the new go to for shills now that OMG IT'S PRESEASON CHILL GUYS garbage is no longer viable
Death by Glamour2 votesWwll its kinda stupid that the only things they did during the preseason was add runes which jave been worked on for months in advance and gut sona.
LordGeovanni2 votesduring the holliday break? riot isnt a a school. they get maybe 6 (being super generous) days off and the rest should have been work as usual and their patch cycle was 3 times as long as normal. Inst this the same excuse you guys gave before Worlds. Worlds is comming up so riot cant change anything until it starts. Worlds is going on and riot doesnt want a disconnect between what you are playing and what the pros are playing but in all the previous years they were quick to nerf shen while worlds was ongoing wait for preseason they will fix everything then. Its preseason you expected better lul. now its they had had holiday break. Fuck if i could use holiday break as an excuse to not fix the plumbing and electricity at my job for going on 15 months
HalcyonDweller1 votesYup, the OP has a point. +1