When immobile champs can deal damage for once, everybody loses their minds

IsIsGankedParis·Sep 19, 2015·107 votes·6,160 views

When mobile champs have been doing more damage than a lot of immobile champs these past few seasons, nobody seemed to care.

Except for and

Fuck them.

128 Comments

stealthfox94Sep 19, 201526 votes

Highest burst in the game Malzahar , highly immobile.

BigPooStormSep 19, 201564 votes

Veigar would like a word with you

stealthfox94Sep 19, 20153 votes

Not until late game.

I Main SwainSep 19, 201516 votes

no, actually any point after lvl 6 unless hes really behind or youre stupid and going support

Ariel the CruelSep 19, 201534 votes

or youre stupid and going support

As a support main, I don't particularly appreciate that insinuation.

I Main SwainSep 19, 20151 votes

as someone who plays a lot of veigar, i can say that taking him support is a stupid idea. i saw it once in lcs and got so freaking mad at them

DecaedeusSep 19, 201515 votes

That was LeBlanc meta. A support with a huge and reliable stun being able to oneshot their opposing midlaner and essentially reduce them to a one-carry threat was highly valuable back then.

ReazaleSep 19, 20152 votes

more like insta Aoe Stun + zoning tool in a mobility meta was highly valuable before its nerf

I Main SwainSep 19, 20152 votes

but what does that have to do with taking him support? when you're support veigar, your usefulness is incredibly low in comparison to both his mid lane potential and other supports

OyddAWqJ5rSep 20, 20151 votes

Because old insta-cage 2.5 second undodgeable AoE stun was godlike utility, being far more useful than most of the ultimates in he game.

And what are supports for? Utility.

I Main SwainSep 22, 20151 votes

yeah, having 1 jukable, long cooldown stun makes you good as a support.

OyddAWqJ5rSep 22, 20151 votes

It was about as jukeable as Sejauni's ult is. And it covers a wider area for a longer amount of time. Hell, it even stuns far longer.

Sejauni ult 2.0

I Main SwainSep 22, 20151 votes

one way or another, it's still jukable, and actually sejuani's ult is WAY better. does significant damage, more reliable for multi-champ cc, longer range, and applies the frost to let her follow up with an e. even if she misses a little she still has a nice slow. if veigar misses he just has to waddle away screaming profanities.

OyddAWqJ5rSep 22, 20151 votes

Veigars is larger and lingers.

I Main SwainSep 22, 20151 votes

he's also immobile, squishy, and brings nothing else to the table as a support. 1 ability that works well for a support if you can use it properly with the entire rest of the kit sucking as far as supports go makes a champion bad as a support. he wont be dealing hardly any damage for the vast, VAST majority of the game (never will at all unless he builds heavily in favor of ap vs support items). over all its just a terrible pick

OyddAWqJ5rSep 22, 20151 votes

He will still be eliminating the enemy APC. Ez pz. And stunning the entire enemy team/holding the whole enemy team at bay with a single ability for 2.5 seconds is more than enough teamfight contribution. Having his ult destroy the enemy APC as well made it extremely viable as a support.

You didn't see the Korean meta at the time did you? Where Veigar support was dominating before the change.

Toa of DeathSep 19, 20152 votes

I remember that. I think it was C9 Lemonnation who did that. He did pretty well with support Veigar but I was actually glad he didn't use it again, seeng Veigar in a support role just wasn't right.

LICENSED HOOKERSep 19, 20155 votes

Diana can i join? ;_;

Kassadin - "i was like you diana, swiftly 1shoting n00b's on le rift, now im nothing more than a memory, dont join the dark side" Diana - " TO LATE, THE POWER, ITS FLOWING THROUGH MEEE THE MOON YES MWAHAHAHAHA

*A few moments later *

Diana is on a killing spree Diana is legendary

Yorick - " i wanna be op can i join? "

Kassadin Veigar Diana - " Fuck off "

Yorick - item 3070

360D3GR3SSSep 19, 20152 votes

Brand actually has extremely low burst against single targets.

stabby himikoSep 19, 20151 votes

Nah. E > Q > W > R (If there are minions) Stun,25% bonus damage on W,and bounces between him and minion.

360D3GR3SSSep 19, 20151 votes

I just said against** single targets**. Brand can almost never fully burst someone with 1 combo and nothing else around, which actually does happen more than you think.

FiveofswordsSep 20, 20152 votes

actually this is false. he CAN burst most targets 100-0...only exception would be actual tanks with good mr. dunno what you build on him if u cant burst things dead.

360D3GR3SSSep 21, 20151 votes

Lol, have you ever played brand? He has nearly as much AP damage on a full rotation as lissandra.

Puppet33rSep 19, 20159 votes

I wouldn't call malz combo "burst" considering 3/4 of his kit are dots

Bouffon dAnglaisSep 19, 20157 votes

He's a sustained burst damage mage.

Noam BraumskySep 19, 20155 votes

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He's a sustained burst damage mage.

I would say his damage is far more dps oriented, especially with how long his Pool of STDs and Space Aids are.

DurzakaSep 19, 20152 votes

All depends how you define burst. He only needs 2.5 seconds to burst someone. And if you are alone/your team doesnt have CC for him, that might as well be instant.

WolfeurSep 19, 20153 votes

Malzahar "I'll just smash all the keys while targeting you then I ult"

BeatzBoyFTWSep 19, 201522 votes

I think you mean this:

When people are losing to :

Community: Nah you juz suck. You just need to learn out to counter them.

When people are losing to :

Community: OMFG RITO WHY ARE THEY NEVER NERFED WTF IS THIS SHIT!!!!!

LockensterSep 19, 201515 votes

dude the community hates mobility more then cancer wat u talking

BeatzBoyFTWSep 19, 20152 votes

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dude the community hates mobility more then cancer wat u talking

People hate me for playing mobiity champ, so I play immobile champ against them. And then they STILL complain.

Get what I mean?

Voluug13Sep 19, 201512 votes

Its 50/50.

Some hate immobile champions because ''I CANT PWN THEM WITH MY +mobile champion that gets countered+, NERF NERF NERF''. Like assassins mains with Annie/Swain/Lissandra. But hell forbid someone mentions how hard assassins counter champions, because then they claim that is a right. Basically they are hypocrites.

PeponiPoroSep 19, 20152 votes

You seem to have completely forgotten Vayne , who has the most retarded movement kit in my opinion. At level 18 she has hyper speed chasing enemies and can tumble every other second. How is that reasonable?

Noam BraumskySep 19, 20152 votes

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You seem to have completely forgotten , who has the most retarded movement kit in my opinion. At level 18 she has hyper speed chasing enemies and can tumble every other second. How is that reasonable?

I mean to be fair her stealth is easy to counter (at least on paper). But her passive + ult just makes me curl into a ball and cry.

PeponiPoroSep 21, 20151 votes

I don't mind the stealth... I just played her when she was free and she has always been terrible to play against, but playing her isn't even hard. You just q whenever it is available, and your enemy can't outrun you or out damage you. I agree with the crying part...

shteeebSep 19, 201513 votes

The second Syndra got played it was insane how many QQ threads there were even though her damage was never touched a single time since release.

And now her Q hits like a wet noodle until level 7.

IsIsGankedParisSep 19, 201516 votes

I never had a problem with her damage, I only hated her stun hitting me from a screen away.

Just me from season 3-4.

Very Hard EngageSep 19, 201512 votes

or utility mages, ya know ones who brought forms of CC to the team. CANT HAVE OUR FLASHY MOBILE CARRIES GET LOCKED DOWN BY ACCURATE SKILL SHOTS, no sir eeeee, NERF NERF NERF NERF!!!!

YossarianSenseiSep 19, 20157 votes

Are you talking about Veigar because a gigantic instant cast circle that you can't even dash out of doesn't count as a skill shot in my book

Very Hard EngageSep 19, 20157 votes

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Are you talking about because a gigantic instant cast circle that you can't even dash out of doesn't count as a skill shot in my book

to some degree, its a bunch of champions that have been seeing their raw utility nerfed "because when a rammus gets to you and taunts you for 3 whole seconds, its kind of just a death sentence by the enemy team mates who successfully follow up on that strong CC"

" well he did peel me, but why should i die because of that!?!?!!!!!" (because banshees veil, GA, merc treds, merc scimitar, frozen mallet, zephyr just aren't even considered on an ADC)

Ariel the CruelSep 19, 20156 votes

(because banshees veil, GA, merc treds, merc scimitar, frozen mallet, zephyr just aren't even considered on an ADC)

I rushed Scimitar on Sivir mid once VS Veiger and WW jungle. They hated me so much.

Noam BraumskySep 19, 20152 votes

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to some degree, its a bunch of champions that have been seeing their raw utility nerfed "because when a rammus gets to you and taunts you for 3 whole seconds, its kind of just a death sentence by the enemy team mates who successfully follow up on that strong CC"

" well he did peel me, but why should i die because of that!?!?!!!!!" (because banshees veil, GA, merc treds, merc scimitar, frozen mallet, zephyr just aren't even considered on an ADC)

I saw a Draven build Frozen Mallet and Iceborn Gauntlet once. He went something like 17/2.

I have subsequently purchased this man.

Blade of JusticSep 19, 20156 votes

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Are you talking about because a gigantic ~~instant cast~~ circle that you can't even dash out of doesn't count as a skill shot in my book

FTFY

YossarianSenseiSep 19, 20152 votes

No Riot fixed that

Joe DreddSep 19, 20154 votes

Nobody fucking cared because they have to build damage to do damage.

IsIsGankedParisSep 19, 201516 votes

And if they built damage they wouldn't do damage as they had no way to get to the enemy without getting in range first, which is almost guaranteed death unless the enemy has 0 focus.

ZavernSep 19, 20153 votes

The problem with Mordekaiser is that the final hit of his Q can deal 2,000 damage easily. No skill should have the potential to one shot someone by a Champion that doesn't need to be fed to do so.

JotunheimrSep 19, 20153 votes

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The problem with is that the final hit of his Q can deal 2,000 damage easily. No skill should have the potential to one shot someone by a Champion that doesn't need to be fed to do so.

But Morde is squishy as hell, contrary to popular belief. Any champion can be OP with the right summoner. For instance, the other day I managed to counter Darius with Olaf by playing smart. If I'd have went all in from the get go, I'd have surely died. But, I used q to poke, upped e next so that when Darius tried to use his abilities on me I would e as soon as he was close enough or when he pulled me, and q to the face immediatly after. Once I had Darius poked down enough, had 1 long sword and vampiric sceptr(rush ravenous), and got w, I flipped on ghost, axe, true damage, pop w(life steal), AA the hell out of him, E as much as possible, and chased with q(axe). Killed Darius so much. All you need to do is out sustain him. Olaf has built in life steal, so use it to your advantage. As Olaf, after Ravenous, Bloodthirster, BotRK, and youmuu's, you can even solo baron. It's a halarious amount of lifesteal, and early on, just hydra 1v1 against Darius(if you played smart) lets you out sustain him. Poke, play safe, punish him for trying to trade with you. When his health is low enough, go all in. Or, do as much damage as possible when he pulls you in. Also, have heal for more sustain.

Never thought Olaf could counter Darius, I'm surprised.

Also, I had a game in 5.17 as Morde ADC, against hiemerdinger and yasuo. Hiem blocked me from CS and kept me from getting into melee range so I couldn't destroy them. Yasuo came at me and I could never catch him because he was flying everywhere. I died 22 times that game. Well played,enemy team. Well played~

TotN TitanSep 19, 20155 votes

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The problem with is that the final hit of his Q can deal 2,000 damage easily. No skill should have the potential to one shot someone by a Champion that doesn't need to be fed to do so.

The skill, you refer to, requires that he hits you 3 times in a row. That means that your own skill of staying away from a guy with no CC, no mobility, and no slows, is in question. Maybe that should be the focus of your complaint: you lack the skill to stay out of melee range of a melee carry.

Chespin2013Sep 19, 20153 votes

Well when you take that away Mordekaiser has really nothing? Since he is a champion with no cc or mobility he is quite vulnerable he needs at least some good burst damage to make him even playable against any champion.