Conquerer for ADC's

Nhifu·Jan 5, 2019·1 votes·1,273 views

Can we have instead of 20% true damage, but 15% and refreshable on champion hits?

18 Comments

LunaranulJan 5, 20193 votes

item 3031

ADCs already have their version of it.

NhifuJan 5, 20192 votes

The crit build is item 3095 item 3094 item 3031 But the issue is people have armor at this point, usually Ninja Tabi on top of item 3053 You'll see alot of fights where the ADC does "okay" damage on their first auto, but then do nothing because they are zoned out or their team wiped out in the first place, or the champions with lifesteal on the other team are full health after they procced stormrazor.

So now we see Lucian item 3153 item 3071 to counter-act the current "meta" build of certain mid/jungle stun comps Jax Kayn to maximize CC, hell even assassins go for cooldown just so they can bring out their combo to 100-0 squishies or peel for the matter in the late game.

The reason ADC's don't work well with Conquerers is simply because it doesn't reset on hits. Every fight goes with the ADC landing 1 auto, then he has to run away (barely going into combat, or if he does proc conq it does nothing) While every other melee champion will have Trinity force + Conqs doing 20% true damage of the Triforce burst (essentially killing anyone without Ninja tabi).

The current Crit build has so many counters right now its not even funny. You have 5 armor from runes. Boneplating blocks 45 damage. Ninja Tabi blocks 12% Aftershock makes them practically invulnerable (Lissandra aftershock purely to start teamfights by killing the squishies)

Every mid laner will be rocking 30% cooldown on their single target or ultimate that CC's item 3285 20%, rune gives 10% at level 10 (meta rune for off page and main pages)

We add all of this together and we wonder why ADC's are off meta, and all I'm asking for is a simple Conquerers buff for Ranged champions that is "fair".

What do ADC's have now? Lethal Tempo is the last good rune for ADC's, and even that on paper is legitimately just attackspeed.. MF, Sivir, Lucian, Tristana literally already have a skill that gives them attackspeed, with Varus being the last viable one to use Lethal Tempo

Varus did you guys forget he got nerfed before the runes update, making him unplayable? KogMaw same situation. Corki nerfed simply because it was static shiv / rpc meta. (after Tri-force obviously)

charge attackJan 5, 20192 votes

You can get it for only a low price of 3400 gold. No problem

Abibyama IIJan 5, 20191 votes

It will get reverted. So a limited time deal

NhifuJan 5, 20191 votes

Also we got to keep in mind, 10% of crit damage going into true damage is literally a tick of ignite.

Pretty useless for an item that you buy, and even when you do buy crit chance it's still a 50-50 (Technically 60% crit from RPC) And it's excessive too (100% crit from stormrazor, then buying crit chance, then buying a crit damage enhanced item makes no sense)

NhifuJan 5, 20191 votes

Yea, Infinity edge literally offers nothing, because the item on its own doesn't give crit chance, attackspeed, or lifesteal.. or movement speed. I'm honestly surprised ADC's aren't going - Stormrazor, RPC, into black cleaver / botrk.

VesarixxJan 5, 20191 votes

If you mean it would have those stats for ranged and remain the same for melee I'd be down for that, though a few ADC can already use it anyway, Draven and MF can make it work, or any champ that's going to want to trade mostly in short bursts, Quinn Kaisa might also be good candidates

NhifuJan 5, 20191 votes

Draven barely uses it, and even the 1 trick dravens all stopped playing due to nerfs to the champ. There's no room in the game for weak crowd control ultimates.

Jinx Remember when her ult was actually good? They gutted it and now she's unplayable, despite giving her the attack speed buffs to her gattling mode.

Kai'sa will always be strong simply because she's the fan favorite right now. You can literally buy/build/rune anything on her and it would work. Except for Aftershock cause she has no stuns :P

VesarixxJan 5, 20191 votes

Jinx is a scaling champ in a fast meta, so she's bound to have issues either way, overall I don't find she's particularly weak compared to similar ADC, KogMaw Vayne Twitch seem to be in the same boat

Jerry SeinfeIdJan 5, 20191 votes

twitch is strong. Just slept on as he ain't lucian.

VesarixxJan 5, 20191 votes

Yeah he does seem to still pop up, probably the best out of the 4 of them, though part of the experience might just be some of the questionable support plays I've been seeing since I started playing ADC again.

NhifuJan 6, 20191 votes

No one plays Jinx or Kog, they just get extra hard carried.

LhuhzJan 5, 20191 votes

Conqueror is the best Draven keystone by far

Jerry SeinfeIdJan 5, 20191 votes

her ult wasn't "gutted", you literally do full damage at zap range. "Shotgunning" it, as fun as it was, wasn't it's intended design. Like, if you can't hit it at zap range idk what to tell you.

And she still did just fine for quite some time, she only started falling off as damage went up. until she finally dropped to useless status in the trist/cait meta because what's the point of being a hypercarry when you can be an extremely safe hyper carry. The issue she has now is that most games end before she really comes online.

Right now she's ok as she can use stormrazor quite effectively. Sadly you HAVE to buy it or you're borderline trolling. if you only care about winning, don't pick her. If you actually care about the champ you'll be able to play her just fine. unless you're like dia 2 + or some shit and meta actually matters that much.