All i see is people crying adc's are weak adc's are unplayable.

dominusx·Jan 27, 2017·94 votes·4,464 views

Meanwhile the games that dont actually end at 20mins or are an open mid i see ADC just standing still and rightclicking everyone to death without you beeing able to do jackshit because they lifesteal 1/4 of their hp bar with an autoattack and have 1k worth of shields. Oh you got 300armor? haHAA i got dominics 70% of your build is now useless because i spent 2700. People suddently forgot how broken and obnoxious adcs are simply because the game ends at 15 fkn mins nowadays. Wait till the meta shifts back to 35mins game and you gonna see who the truly toxic champs are.

edit: to the butthurt kids that downvote all comments i'm happy you gonna stay gold for the rest of the season

105 Comments

EndlessSorcererJan 27, 201733 votes

ADCs are still powerful, but the game is often decided before they become relevant.

It isn't necessarily that they are weak, but they often lack influence (as most late-game champions do) early-game if not fed.

Many of the meta champions excels at killing ADCs (and other squishy carries), which probably isn't helping matters for them.

If the average game length were to increase and the game were less snowbally, they wouldn't be having any issues.

sobi999Jan 27, 20173 votes

I think you have summed up this post very well. ADC's are not weak but in the current meta they have much less influence than they had before. Also don't forget that supports are helping adc's constantly so some people forget to take that into account and lets say if someone chooses a burst mage support the adc will feel alot weaker.

Troll for TrumpJan 27, 20172 votes

It's not even all ADCs it's just the ones that are "weak" early.

Exception to that would be Vayne and Twitch

The most meta champs are early game dominance and still powerful lategame.

Caitlyn Draven Ziggs

KnoyleJan 27, 20173 votes

Basically this. When I play Jinx It tends to be more stressful than it used to be for losing lane because I likely won't get the chance to scale into late game with how expensive and ADC build is and how lacking in kills and CS I am due to losing lane.

weeaboomerJan 28, 20171 votes

Jinx is really snowbally

KnoyleJan 28, 20171 votes

It tends to be more stressful than it used to be for_** losing lane**_ because I likely won't get the chance to scale into late game

weeaboomerJan 29, 20171 votes

Last time i checked, when she was relevant, her highest win rate was early-mid game.

ElikainJan 28, 20174 votes

She is but with kills and gold. If she never gets a chance to start the snowball, she really isn't relevant as a champion. And this isn't her problem alone, it's every marksman's problem. The only champions that avoid these problems are utility marksmen at present, like Ashe and Jhin.

Jinx is an entirely power play based champion so if games on average don't last long for her to get to that sweet spot where she is viable, there's really no point in playing her over Ashe, for example. You play something that's safer and has more presence with the utility.

AkumaCodeJan 28, 20171 votes

This is exactly right. Most games are decided in the midgame (20-35mins) before the lategame even arrives (~40+ mins); which is where most adc's start being effective and have an impact in terms of being able to deal damage (specifically to tanks). With the nerf of Courage of the Colossus, adc's midgame is buffed and as a result their ability to have an impact in how games are decided in the current game time meta is also buffed.

In addition, riot has yet to do much to balance the new assassins, jungle, and assassin junglers that oppress the botlane so consistently (often times it feels as though botlane consists of the botlaners+the jungler due to ganks from lv 2+)

EndlessSorcererJan 28, 20172 votes

Personally, I think the issue is mostly to do with the heavy focus bottom lane (due to FB tower and Dragon).

Even if the ADC is playing well, it doesn't particularly matter when the mid-laner(s) and jungler(s) keep coming down to decide the lane.

ADCs are still rather powerful when they get their items, but it often isn't their performance which decides if they get ahead.

ElikainJan 28, 20171 votes

You have a point there. If Marksmen were left alone even in this meta, they could do well but other laners just interfere in their usual business of dueling and farming. So Marksmen who are heavily focused around their snowball potential and never actually have a chance to start it, are clearly out for the count. Not because they are weak but because of the bottom lane's agency.

I don't believe tower FB is the issue here, though. FB works for all towers, not just bottom. But it's easier to kill bottom laners due to supports dropping wards (TP magnets), junglers visiting the lane more often and even mid laners dropping by to say hi way too often. The entire lane is just squishy and is an appealing target.

EndlessSorcererJan 28, 20171 votes

While FB Tower exists for all of them, bottom tower is far harder to kill because its defenses are far lower than the others.

Combined with two kills and Dragon makes bottom lane into a rather tempting target.

doublelift fgJan 27, 201715 votes

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Meanwhile the games that dont actually end at 20mins ** ** i see pentakill the enemy team with lethality build

^ adc are weak

dominusxJan 27, 201711 votes

well i mean you can sidestep her ult. its not like it does 4k dmg in 2 seconds eks di

doublelift fgJan 27, 20175 votes

yeah good luck trying to sidestep something with a billion of width a billion of range and kills you in 1 or 2 seconds while the channeling duration is 5 sec

dominusxJan 27, 20173 votes

shh you make them sound strong .

salty testiJan 27, 20172 votes

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ElikainJan 28, 20171 votes

Support MF is a waste of time IMHO.

ZephyrDrakeJan 27, 201710 votes

that team is really garbage if they allow any ADC to just sit there and right click them to death

dominusxJan 27, 20177 votes

or Maybe just MAYBE adcs can easily facetank divers when they get some lifesteal and with how retarded shielding currently is. Or this little thing called RANGE but oh well you know better i mean you are high elo right and i'm gold. oh wait.

ZephyrDrakeJan 27, 20175 votes

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or Maybe just MAYBE adcs can easily facetank divers when they get some lifesteal and with how retarded shielding currently is. Or this little thing called RANGE but oh well you know better i mean you are high elo right and i'm gold. oh wait.

yeah sure they can, if your team is absolute garbage or think that a no damage diver is going to kill a full item ADC that is also full health. Go cry in a corner please

dominusxJan 27, 20175 votes

no need to kill them u cna just distact them but u die before you even distract ppl XD. u know better dont worry

NiceTryViJan 28, 20171 votes

Are you drunk or did you just suffer a brain injury? Your arguments make less sense as time goes on, and you are just attacking him personally now. My university team has a Silver 2 analyst and coach for D2-Master players, and they do well. Just because you are higher ranked doesn't mean you are automatically right. Get over yourself.

dominusxJan 28, 20171 votes

But the thing is ik im right because this is the experience me and alot of others have vs braindead adc champs. Hint i dont give two fcks about your team lmfao and more importantly idc whatbhebsays because gold players cant even kite. Try catching a challenger cait main you wont

NiceTryViJan 28, 20171 votes

"My anecdotal evidence is more important than yours"

You realize challenger cait players still get caught, right? Take a look a the LCS. If what you were saying was true, nobody would ever kill ADCs, when they obviously die every game. Nobody is ever going to be on your side if you use your rank in every argument like its an e-peen measuring contest.

dominusxJan 28, 20171 votes

Who says i want anyone on my side? You disagree i simply dont give a fck lol im closed to discussions per adcs my mind wont change any other role feel free to discuss and analyze

NiceTryViJan 28, 20171 votes

Why even bother posting here if you refuse to see other people's viewpoint? As soon as you close off discussion, you become a laughingstock and nobody will listen to you, as you are obviously incapable of reason.

EedatJan 27, 20173 votes

As someone who mains a diver, ADCs are my free food. The only one that really stands a chance in a 1v1 is Vayne

dominusxJan 27, 20171 votes

it's not that easy in higher elo xd ppl actually kite but ik where you come from dw divers are pretty good atm

skyskee008Jan 27, 20174 votes

Gold is not high Elo lmao

GankedFromBehindJan 27, 20174 votes

It is for EUNE xD

dominusxJan 27, 20174 votes

http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/EUNE/whirlingdeathx sorry lads. i talk shit but i back it up unlike others.

TyrekGoldenspearJan 27, 20172 votes

Nice, but how do we know it's really you?

Questioning look intensifies.

NiceTryViJan 28, 20171 votes

Gold technically is high Elo, actually, It is the top 20-30% of the playerbase, depending on what point of the season we are in.

RavenMagusJan 27, 20172 votes

And then you go against a team that picks Janna instead of a mage support, and suddenly you can't dive them because Janna smothers them in shields while they right click you to death.

dominusxJan 27, 20173 votes

Janna isnt the most cancerous one atm. have you seen Karma with locket redemption? at least janna doesnt give them a 50mov speed buff.

NefariousQuackJan 27, 20171 votes

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or Maybe just MAYBE adcs can easily facetank divers when they get some lifesteal and with how retarded shielding currently is. Or this little thing called RANGE but oh well you know better i mean you are high elo right and i'm gold. oh wait.

youre gold stfu and stop talking.

dominusxJan 27, 20172 votes

that sad moment when a silver player talks shit ;p even if i was a gold player hint: i'm not (insert jinx voice) you still wouldnt talk shit to me.;p

NefariousQuackFeb 10, 20171 votes

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that sad moment when a silver player talks shit ;p even if i was a gold player hint: i'm not (insert jinx voice) you still wouldnt talk shit to me.;p

Semsius EUW, peaked plat 2 in season 6.

The DeckownerJan 27, 20176 votes

ADC are not weak, the game just ends way too fast for them to do anything. Like wtf is your hurricane IE jinx with no armor pen going to do against the sunfire SV poppy? she would just run you down like a monkey while you do like 50 damage per auto.

BIH DiamondJan 28, 20172 votes

Is that why LCS teams are picking MF support?

The DeckownerJan 28, 20171 votes

mf is one of the strongest early game adc.

BIH DiamondJan 28, 20172 votes

Yet she still melts late game.

The DeckownerJan 28, 20172 votes

her late game is actually quite shit as support.

BIH DiamondJan 29, 20171 votes

Not really. Late game she still wins fights because she still builds ad and since she's a support, focusing her isn't always the most optimal strategy

The DeckownerJan 29, 20171 votes

When it reaches late game the base damage of her ult falls off tremendously and because of support's low gold income she doesn't actually have 4 ad item+ssightstone+boot when everyone else reaches 6 item. She is basically only used to apply blackcleaver stack in late game teamfights.

StephenizgodJan 28, 20175 votes

Yea I don't understand this adc being weak thing, they are not weak. Lifesteal is a stupid stat, they heal a ridiculous amount of HP per AA and Bloodthirster makes them survive much longer than they have any right to. You got blown up? Well so what? You literally just erased 2 tanks in a matter of seconds and you are complaining the Ziggs 3 shot killed you? You are suppose to get blown up when people jump on you, people have been spoiled by the past seasons where ADC's were killing people so fast no one could really jump on them except Assassins who were way too OP until the reworks (and now some of them are even worse...)