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Anyone remember when Sona was a true support?

RedCyclone··5 votes·420 views

Now it's quite hypocritical for me to go into the whole supportive Sona discussion, especially since I have been essentially playing AP Sona bot/mid for 2 years now

But there was once a time where she did not rely on scaling and 2 self scaling AP damage items to get her job done, a favorite pastime of mine was playing a really tanky oriented Sona and fulfilling the role as the teams initiator with Shurelya's Reverie > Crecendo > Randuins for a mindblowing and gamechanging initiation As great and I must say overbearing as Sona is now, I very much miss the fact that she could adapt to so many different circumstances if she built and speced into the right build, Aura support, tanky initiation support and AP support

I seriously think that if Riot is to change her in the future ( I smell nerfs incoming for her since she reps a 54-55% winrate, rightfully so I may add ) that they should certainly keep this adaptability in mind

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Aeolian Melodies2 votes

I'd like to start by saying she's a true support regardless of how she builds. Supporting is about what your kit does, not about the items in your inventory. Would you say item 3092 item 2045 item 3158 item 3041 item 3285 item 3089 item 3364 isn't support? Yes she is.

On one side, I do miss being able to go full blown utility build and feeling relevant, because it's a build that works just as well when you're behind.

On the other side, I enjoy being encouraged to build differently than the cookie cutter support build that you just slap on any champion and it acts just the same way.

I do agree that she should have more flexibility in how she builds and how she specs her skills... Q > W > E is the only viable thing to do no matter how your lane and game is going because maxing W first means 0 presence, 0 pressure, and 0 mana, and E scales so poorly with levels it's not even close to being funny. Then again most champions always max their skills the same way because one path is just more optimal than all the others.

The main issue I have with Sona (from someone who's mained her since 2010) is how impossible she is to play from behind now... her optimal build is squishy, making you nothing but a juicy target if your team is on the losing side after laning phase, and she doesn't have as much engage/disengage as some other supports to be able to turn the tables. You get ahead, you'll stay ahead and absolutely wreck. You get behind, you'll STAY behind and be a non-factor unless the enemy team somehow throws.

khorney1 votes

regardless if she is behind or not her ult changes games same as mumus and cass. to me cass is weak as hell however i role with janna and i do fine the way i am i dont fall behind hint hint gold runes do make a diff and i use ancient coin instead of frost queens becuase movement speed and mana regen and her best harass is her w which is good if you have it

Aeolian Melodies1 votes

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regardless if she is behind or not her ult changes games same as mumus and cass. to me cass is weak as hell however i role with janna and i do fine the way i am i dont fall behind hint hint gold runes do make a diff and i use ancient coin instead of frost queens becuase movement speed and mana regen and her best harass is her w which is good if you have it

  1. Sona's ult is not as powerful as it once was, the rework considerably reduced the AoE, and many people from the support role, AKA people that Sona directly competes with, actually have non-ultimate AoE hard CC (Annie Thresh Janna Nami Alistar )

  2. Gold runes were good in S1 and S2. Debatable in S3. Utter shit S4 onward. You need actual stats, be it AP, HP or armor, because bot lane is a lot more intense than it used to be, and since we are no longer ward spamming whores, and the new gold items are a lot better than the old ones, gp10 runes are useless. I auto win lanes where the opponent has gp10 runes, regardless of match up, because we outrade them no matter what.

  3. Unless you somehow have a comp that requires a Talisman rush, heading bot lane with Coin is a waste; again, no fighting power in lane. It's also less gold generated than harassing (which is what you should be doing as a ranged support) with Spellthief. MAYBE on Soraka for a passive sustain lane (but even on her Spellthief start is more successful). Janna, Sona, Nami, Lulu, all benefit a lot more from Spellthief and its upgrades: the gold is better, the stats are better, and until it is severely nerfed, the active is better.

khorney1 votes

umm getting 7 gold a cs kill is bad how ? i never have a problem getting items that i need when i play as janna because it depends who my adc is if i run banner or zekes. if its ez or corki i run zekes. however banner is the best anti teemo item lol the cs clears the shrooms and takes 0 damage from the cs you promote

Aeolian Melodies1 votes

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umm getting 7 gold a cs kill is bad how ? i never have a problem getting items that i need when i play as janna because it depends who my adc is if i run banner or zekes. if its ez or corki i run zekes. however banner is the best anti teemo item lol the cs clears the shrooms and takes 0 damage from the cs you promote

It's not bad, it's subpar. As in, it works, but it's not optimal.

I don't care how much gold per creep death Talisman line gives you, it is still overall less gold generated than a properly used FQC line.

Not to mention FQC encourages the play style that makes you win more more than Talisman's line (poking, zoning, hitting structures VS standing there like a bitch doing nothing in lane because your item does not support aggression at all, giving you no incentive to be aggressive and no combat stats to back you up) - for that reason alone I'd encourage support players to go for Spellthief over Coin in lane because it will force them to be more active and learn their champion's limits much more than the sit-back-and-wait style encouraged by Coin.

BTW Corki and Ez are the 2 less crit-reliant adc, so Zeke's, meh.

khorney1 votes

i dont get zekes in thos 2 i tend to get banner simply to reach max cd

Aeolian Melodies1 votes

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i dont get zekes in thos 2 i tend to get banner simply to reach max cd

Banner's good however I tend to prefer Locket unless I somehow want the AP more than the AoE shield.

khorney1 votes

i play as janna so the extra ap helps a lot in my opionion

RedCyclone1 votes

Can you really say that a true support is really a true support when they thrive on kills?

Honestly my best outcome as Sona is wishing that my ADC is incompetent enough to do their job well enough so I end up with a silly score like 11/2/13 at 20 mins I get that Brand/Annie/Vel all do the same really, but that's down to that they were specifically and intentionally designed to go midlane and fuck people up

Aeolian Melodies2 votes

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Can you really say that a true support is really a true support when they thrive on kills?

Honestly my best outcome as Sona is wishing that my ADC is incompetent enough to do their job well enough so I end up with a silly score like 11/2/13 at 20 mins I get that Brand/Annie/Vel all do the same really, but that's down to that they were specifically and intentionally designed to go midlane and fuck people up

I main her, she's my 2nd mastery behind Janna. She's been tied with Janna for my favourite champion since 2010, so I daresay, I know Sona.

She doesn't thrive on kills more than other supports. She's good (too good, sometimes, when you're legitimately trying to give it to your ADC) at sniping them early game due to her natural burst, but she doesn't need the silly kda you described to be winning hard with her team. 0-2-24 will suit her just as much, and will help her team way more.

Nice lvl16 though. Not trying to be a bitch, I just wanted to see what kind of Sona experience you had, and zip, nada. Post on your main maybe?

Dominick Destine1 votes

Yes. I liked support Sona so much better than whatever she was destroyed into.

Remember back when W used to give the whole team Armor/MR and the main target got double? those were the days.

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