"We removed DFG because it provided too much burst"

awdaf·Oct 20, 2016·9 votes·1,080 views

http://imgur.com/XDjP4fP

So we put a free one on the new Abyssal Scepter.

39 Comments

EedatOct 20, 20168 votes

For people who don't remember:

Deathfire Grasp

120 AP

10% CDR

Unique Active: Deals 15% of target champion's maximum health in magic damage and applies the debuff, Doom. Doom amplifies all magic damage that champion takes by 20% for 4 seconds. 90 second cooldown (750 range).

I wouldn't even call it close tbh. The isssue with DFG was that active did a massive chunk of damage by itself (15% max HP) on top of a 20% damage amp. The flat magic pen that currently is on abyssal actually amps damage by more than 10% against squishies, but isn't very effective vs tanks. Changing it to a flat 10% is a way of balancing it so its not as oppressive against squishies, while offering more damage against tanky enemies.

RalanrOct 20, 20161 votes

... Why was this ever allowed in the game?

RikoZerameOct 20, 20162 votes

Because it worked with Garen's ult.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 20, 20161 votes

it was removed cuz you could have 3000 hp as a tank and get one shot by ahri or who ever had it ... it was so OP one of the most broken items

but then again there was league of black cleavers where you could get 5 of them and the armor pen stacked and you could do true damage to 150 % armor reduction or whatever it was

and the last broken item was devour

but ap garen was fun you build DFG with ignite and take magic pen shoes and run magic pen runes you could one shot with dfg ignite ult didnt need to do anything else it was funny

Malicious MetalOct 20, 20161 votes

Because killing anything indiscriminately with DFG->R->Ignite on Morde was fun

DemoGuideOct 20, 20162 votes

For DFGaren fun.

Brutalitops01Oct 20, 20165 votes

The problem with DFG active was that it dealt its own damage (about equal to that of giving a champion a fifth spell) AND buffed future damage that target took by 50%. You don't know the definition of feelsbadman until you've been killed in 0.00000000001 seconds by a DFG rush Leblanc.

xReadyPlayerOnexOct 20, 20161 votes

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The problem with DFG active was that it dealt its own damage (about equal to that of giving a champion a fifth spell) AND buffed future damage that target took by 50%. You don't know the definition of feelsbadman until you've been killed in 0.00000000001 seconds by a DFG rush Leblanc.

This... and I loved DFG... And I loved the Pentakill Song about it... and... JUST BRING IT BACK IN SOME SORT OF FORM T_T

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 20, 20162 votes

lol i would love to have it back and go ap garen again

xReadyPlayerOnexOct 20, 20161 votes

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lol i would love to have it back and go ap garen again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be1waE9myCU

Brutalitops01Oct 20, 20161 votes

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This... and I loved DFG... And I loved the Pentakill Song about it... and... JUST BRING IT BACK IN SOME SORT OF FORM T_T

I was honestly expecting Deathfire Touch to be kinda a spiritual successor when I heard about it. I was thinking it would maybe apply a mark to the target of a spell or auto, then another spell or auto will proc it to increase the second spell's damage by a little bit.

Meep ManOct 20, 20161 votes

*20%

CrazFight Oct 20, 20163 votes

If your going to do this just give us DFG back man T_T Loved that item T_T

McFatalOct 20, 20163 votes

i really wish ad champs can feel the love ap itemization got at all this season.

jesus FUCKING christ what a biased balance team. nothing but ap buffs and changes and ranged champs buffed while melees and ad get dicked.

Sexy Jack RabbitOct 20, 20162 votes

Stares at all of the new AD items being introduced and reworked solely for AD Champions Yeah sure.

Zero Skill TankOct 20, 20162 votes

You really wrote this after the Season of Maw. You really did.

McFatalOct 20, 20161 votes

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You really wrote this after the Season of Maw. You really did.

you dont remember the nerf ? how FAST it was delivered? remember the ONE week of spirit visage being good ? riot jumped on that shit. rylais? 1.5 months now being broken af and they still dont know what thefuck they are doing.

Zero Skill TankOct 20, 20162 votes

"Fast?" "FAST" in caps? Nerfs to Maw were delivered after almost 5 months. Rylai's is broken, as you just said, for 1.5 month, and you are complaining.

Delusional players are delusional.

McFatalOct 20, 20161 votes

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"Fast?" "FAST" in caps? Nerfs to Maw were delivered after almost 5 months. Rylai's is broken, as you just said, for 1.5 month, and you are complaining.

Delusional players are delusional.

5 M O N T H S L U L

MiraweaveOct 20, 20161 votes

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i really wish ad champs can feel the love ap itemization got at all this season.

jesus FUCKING christ what a biased balance team. nothing but ap buffs and changes and ranged champs buffed while melees and ad get dicked.

This isn't even a buff lel

SalronOct 20, 20162 votes

Except if you had the brain capacity to do some simple math to compare the damage between this iteration of Abyssal, and the live one, you'd find the damage is very similar But yes please continue to make baseless comparisons because some similar wording

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 20, 20161 votes

crit amplification is ok with an item 3031 but 10% bonus damage from ap spells is bad ?

awdafOct 20, 20163 votes

Well, it's actually a lot mid/late game, it won't pay off if it's the first item you build, but after 30 minutes, it's a lot of free damage.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 20, 20161 votes

adcs who crit for 900 damage on auto attacks is ok?

to hit a skill shot for 500 magic damage +10% for 550 magic damage isnt?

awdafOct 20, 20164 votes

ADCs kits lack a lot of things that APCs do, the compensated damage for an ADC to do 900 damage on an auto attack is justified by the fact that you need to get close and position correctly instead of mashing a couple buttons to pull off a 1,700 damage combo.

On another note, for an ADC to deal 900 damage to someone, that someone is probably the opposite ADC that didn't build any armor.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 20, 20161 votes

jihn does not have to get close to auto attack and hell he can be on the other side of the fuckin map to ult

he is just an ad version of Xerath

and as adc right clicking isnt hitting skill shots you cant effectively dodge auto attacks

Toxic MemesOct 20, 20161 votes

Jax

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 20, 20161 votes

yea cuz jax crits for 900 damage

oh wait does triforce or gunblade or bork have crit?

Toxic MemesOct 20, 20161 votes

I'm saying jax bc he dodges autos, not that he crits for 900. mb for not specifying.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 20, 20161 votes

oh fair enough but its only temp thing while his counter strike is active

other then that you cant passively dodge autos

Toxic MemesOct 20, 20161 votes

Yea, i didn't especially like season 6 because adc seemed a bit too overtuned, where you would almost always see Ezreal, Jinx, or Caitlyn. (At least from my experience in silver 4)

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 20, 20161 votes

season 6 is known as season of damage creep... all damage across all champs were up regardless of role mainly cuz of the mastery system ... like the bitching over sona damage on Q when she runs 15 ap from runes with magic pen takes thunderlords and gets an empowered Q while procing thunderlords with spell thief bonus damage it would make her damage see stupid strong when it wasnt her Q it was a combination of the power cord passive with thunderlords keystone with passive bonus damage on spell thief...

same as ashe with her Q damage it was the Q stacked with crit stacked with fervor of battle stacks stacked with oppressor making her damage +2.5% for slowed targets + 3% damage (1.5 net gain from double edge sword ) + the armor pen 7% plus the merciless amplifying damage to targets below 40% hp by 5% but we blame the champ and cry til she is nerfed

ModWulf HelhammerOct 20, 20161 votes

Not exactly the same thing

MiraweaveOct 20, 20161 votes

It's losing the MR reduction aura. Overall the damage should be pretty similar. It's going to be better than current Abyssal against targets who are building MR and worse against targets who aren't.

MunchCrunchLunchOct 20, 20161 votes

this is gonna be puchased on every single ap champion. yay. this is amplifying your ap total by 10% and giving your base damages extra 10% too. ridiculous lol.

and then gonna get nerfed into the ground for "being too generalist of an item"

MiraweaveOct 20, 20161 votes

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this is gonna be puchased on every single ap champion. yay. this is amplifying your ap total by 10% and giving your base damages extra 10% too. ridiculous lol.

and then gonna get nerfed into the ground for "being too generalist of an item"

It's not, though. It's worse than current Abyssal against targets with low MR, and better against targets with high MR. Nobody who doesn't currently want Abyssal is going to buy it.

Meep ManOct 20, 20161 votes

Except then you realize it is doing THE EXACT SAME THING AS BEFORE, JUST A LITTLE WORSE SINCE IT NOW IS LESS EFFECTIVE THE MORE MR SOMEONE HAS!

Otter FireOct 20, 20161 votes

This seems more broken somehow... Kog'Maw with his Q and Deathfire Touch seems even scarier than before. Also, Karthus basically now has 5% magic damage reduction from this.

CatastropOct 20, 20161 votes

10% damage on spells is nothing compared to 15% of the target's max HP plus 20% damage amp. You must be on crack to even compare the two. Also, it's losing the MR reduction, so the damage should be pretty even and only really favouring late game which doesn't really matter because they'll kill you at that point anyway.