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Now support itemization is TOO good...

SaltyToplaneGoat··1 votes·401 views

People don't play support anymore. They play "active item holder". And the champions who have cc and good utility as base values are the new top class, but they are forced to spend all their gold on support junk that doesn't even really fit their champ right.

Kinda like season one, but instead of a gold item and a trillion wards (you skip boots for more wards) you have a gold item and several tank-supp items even if you are a Enchanter. Weren't Janna, Nami, Lulu, and Soraka supposed to build AP? Or what was the point of scaling utility again? Nope, the only build I see is Gold item/Sightstone, Boots, Redemption, Locket, Banner of Command, ZZ'Rot portal. Kinda sad if you ask me, when a PROPER Janna build should look like this: item 2301 (Boots of choice) item 3174 item 3504 item 3089 (+ variability item for whatever you need when your super-perma-shields are not enough. Or a defensive item if the enemy assassins starts to get on your case.) Or something like that. THIS is a build for an AP support with specializing in shields.

We have kinda come full-circle into a weird revival of season 1 supporting - or at leats some variation of it...

11 Comments

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Janna shouldn't build Athens. Lulu, Sona, sure.

Janna should build item 3069 item 2045 item 3190 item 3107 item 3504 item 3158 .

Give or take. If she has a Jihn then item 3504 may not be the best item. If the enemy has a lot of CC then she should get item 3222 Sometimes item 3050 could be a decent item Idk why she'd want a item 3512 .

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

DUDE? have you ever seen the scalings on her utlity? Giving your ADC a 100 extra damage on every attack? An ult heal that can actually sustain large amounts of dps? Shields that are close to unbreakable due to windspeaker and Censer giving percentual bonuses? The higher the base value + ap, the more bonus you get. Your bonus movmenent speed on W scales with AP, as well as your slow.

Oh and you start dealing a bit of damage now, not much, but your W can actually execute low hp people, and that's a nice thing to have, just in case.

I agree on Zeke's tho, but it's situational, like against heavy armor teams (and a non braindead adc - but you only pick janna when you expect a braindead adc, because she can save even the biggest dumbass at times).

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Because intill Zyra, Brand and Malz started going Supp its been more about being utility and not DMG. I agree Deathcap would be good but 1) It cost a shit load and 2) Other Items offer more as far as utility.

StoryDuck1 votes

Deathcap? Damn that's ambitious. I do agree that Redemption is a bit powerful (nerfs incoming though we will see how those effect the item) but I feel that it isn't that support items are too strong but rather the other items in the support line are on the weak side. I've been seeing a trend with Riot lately (a trend I like) in which support items are slowly getting buffed inch by inch. I suspect they are trying to find a powerful spot for all items in the support lineup so that the support items all see some play. I think their aim is similar to ADC itemization in that there is an ADC for every ADC item. So there will be a support for every support item.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Well I only get it after Censer and Eye of the Watchers ofc, but for every champion with AP scaling, Deathcap is pretty much a must-have, unless you can draw from the lindaries/rylais combo. This also applies to the supports with scaling utility, obviously. Without it my shields would be waaaaaaay to weak to sustain the stupidity of my team... but like this all my Vaynes and Yasuos and Rivens can go totally ham, so that's nice ^^

StoryDuck1 votes

Now imagine a world with redemption weakened a bit and item 3504 grant 20% bonus shield/heal item 3174 granting 10% bonus heal/shield (why doesn't it anyway?) and item 3222 granting 30% bonus heal and shield. Would you still feel you need the Deathcap?

MrHaZeYo1 votes

They used to all stack.

StoryDuck1 votes

They still do. You just can't buy 4 item 3504 now.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Na I'm pretty sure that got changed. I very well could be wrong.

StoryDuck1 votes

No you can stack different items with same unique passive. Just not the same item or unique passives with names (spellblade or Lifeline). I'm certain of this. To prove this next game buy item 3114 item 3024 and item 3108 and you will find you gain 30% CDR

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Ah yes, true that.

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