PSA: Garens armor shredding made lethality more effective on him

Critmaster Garen·Dec 15, 2016·3 votes·1,220 views

seeing too many people still go with

whenever youre ahead, dont be shy to go for instead. that is all.

12 Comments

WoonStruckDec 15, 20162 votes

High MMR Garen players already went with lethality/crit before the change, often skipping Black Cleaver entirely.

Critmaster GarenDec 15, 20161 votes

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High MMR Garen players already went with lethality/crit before the change, often skipping Black Cleaver entirely.

before the most recent change, it really was situational. a squishy enemy team meant lethality was better. a very armor heavy enemy team meant cleaver was more useful. after the armor shred buff, that lethality after the 25% is almost the same, if not more than a cleaver would add in most situations.

giving garen extra % armor shred to increase his team synergy might have been the idea. but while it definitely was a buff, in the end it had the opposite effect, lol.

skipping cleaver for ghostblade means hes shredding less armor for his team and gaining more penetration for himself, to dispose of carries and assassins.

ParoeDec 15, 20161 votes

item 3071 item 3065 item 3156 item 3742 item 3814 item 3111 Ive seen friends have fantastic luck with this build. Occasionally they would replace maw or deadmans (or both) with lethality items depending on how squish the enemy team was.

Critmaster GarenDec 15, 20161 votes

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Ive seen friends have fantastic luck with this build. Occasionally they would replace maw or deadmans (or both) with lethality items depending on how squish the enemy team was.

i usually like to lead with

item 3142 and some health in lane. later on building into item 3742 and/or item 3053

item 3156 in place of steraks definitely became a good choice on him since they added the cdr.

DracocrashDec 15, 20161 votes

Depends. If im facing a maokai in lane, odds are hes building armor and that makes flat penetration useless as compared to % armor pen. But if its a squishy lane like riven or quinn where the enemy wont build armor then I can see lethality being better some times.

Critmaster GarenDec 15, 20162 votes

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Depends. If im facing a maokai in lane, odds are hes building armor and that makes flat penetration useless as compared to % armor pen. But if its a squishy lane like riven or quinn where the enemy wont build armor then I can see lethality being better some times.

the flat penetration will never be useless. you want to hunt down assassins and carries by midgame anyways.

DracocrashDec 15, 20161 votes

after trying a bit, I feel the best thing to do is phage -> ghost blade.

atleast for my skill level, because building full squishy from the start means I cant afford to make mistakes.

RoyalMachineDec 15, 20161 votes

get item 3078 item 3742 item 3053 item 3071 and hit their carries with 700 damage Q.

Critmaster GarenDec 15, 20161 votes

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get and hit their carries with 700 damage Q.

like, really. cleaver is not a good item on him anymore.

before the recent buff, the stat combination and passive together still made the item good enough that he wanted it like for his third item or so. because at some point hed need armor pen. and when you wanted to pick up armor pen, there was no reason to chose other items over cleaver, due to the team utility, total shred and stats.

now that about half the item (which is the shred) is irrelevant, since has it just inbuilt, and he can get movement speed and ad + cdr from other items, its really not worth anymore.

item 3142 is better when it comes to killing squishies in 100% of the cases.

RoyalMachineDec 15, 20161 votes

I was able to 1v1 the enemy shyvana with a item 3071 item 3053 item 3075 combo. it's a great item on garen.