Ekko has Lichbane + Ludan's + Deathcap Cass has Archangels + Chalice + Zhonya
Cass misses her ult, gets hit by his ult, kills him, and lives with 60% health. How can Ekko be considered an assassin when there isn't a single carry he can solo?
This design is complete shit. A champion whose entire purpose is stealing kills has no place in the game.
GaleWinUnleashed2 votesCurrently, according to the large number of posts complaining about Ekko, his damage is a bit too high. I'm not sure about this myself, but that seems to be the dominant opinion right now.
Regardless, Ekko isn't intended to 100-0 people on a whim. He's supposed to wait for the right setup/opportunity, then go in, preferably on a weakened target. Think of him as similar to Kha'Zix; in most (teamfight) situations, trying to kill someone from full health isn't a great idea. Instead, he should skirt the edge of his opponents' range, poke a bit, and then dive in when he sees a target he can kill.
Try poking with Q, and if you hit someone twice, dive on them with E for the third hit, then retreat using the speed boost from your passive. Just doing this once usually puts an enemy low enough that you can kill them the next time around, so bide your time and wait for your cooldowns before going in again.
Yenn1 votesCurrently, according to the large number of posts complaining about Ekko, his damage is a bit too high. I'm not sure about this myself, but that seems to be the dominant opinion right now.
Regardless, Ekko isn't intended to 100-0 people on a whim. He's supposed to wait for the right setup/opportunity, then go in, preferably on a weakened target. Think of him as similar to Kha'Zix; in most (teamfight) situations, trying to kill someone from full health isn't a great idea. Instead, he should skirt the edge of his opponents' range, poke a bit, and then dive in when he sees a target he can kill.
Try poking with Q, and if you hit someone twice, dive on them with E for the third hit, then retreat using the speed boost from your passive. Just doing this once usually puts an enemy low enough that you can kill them the next time around, so bide your time and wait for your cooldowns before going in again.
A fed Kha'zix can easily 1v1 almost any carry. Ekko cannot; he can't even 1v1 an underfed carry, because his damage is so absurdly low.
The point is that you can't retreat after going all in on most champions. You're going to be CC'd, slowed, killed, or forced to ult. He's only good for KSing; no matter how fed you get as Ekko, you cannot do anything to carry your team mates or make a meaningful contribution. Whoever designed him thought 'skirmishes' are a thing. They're not. Once you're in, you're pretty much stuck, because there's so much CC in the game.
If you wanted to steal kills, you may as well go for something like Yi, who has more carry potential.
YossarianSensei2 votesFor an "assassin" he sure has a whole lot of Poke/CC/Waveclear/Durability lmfao
Matezoide2 votesCalling bullshit here.
Yenn1 votesCalling bullshit here.
Math out how I could kill Cass before she killed me, please.
Hint: You can't, because it's not possible. Ekko's burst is low.
TheMoonMan1 votesMath out how I could kill Cass before she killed me, please.
Hint: You can't, because it's not possible. Ekko's burst is low.
Look at my previous comment, and pretend you hit stun so she could not archangels or twin fang and you'll see you would have over killed her.
C4KE2 votesIf you are actually serious, I would consider not doing bad at Ekko, that's not me saying anything negative to you, but people can't use him correctly sometimes. Not saying you particularly did bad, but there are so many Ekko who are so bad. As Ekko vs Ekko I pretty much win lane all the time. If there is one thing that I struggle with is the map pressure. That being said and back to the topic, some match ups are harder for him. Be has only been out a few days so give him and yourself some room.
Schoolgirl Urgot1 votesJust because you suck at this game doesn't mean that ekko is a bad champion.
Masked Pariah1 votesEkko is balanced as a assassin. People just QQ that they dont know how to play with him or a ASSASSIN is doing damage! Wait a assassin doing damage WTF IS THIS!
Antonok1 votesbut how many stacks did the cass have? 500 stacks and she has a free rabadons
Extreme Troller1 votesi kinda agre ekko in all my games were the biggest kill stealer ever created. THE %missing health and dash for ks is super extrem if you ask me. but it's ok.
TheMoonMan1 votesim gona go through some numbers here. 3 ap quints 15 ap masteries at lvl 18 22 ap lichbane 80 ap deathcap 120 ap ludens 120 ap 357 ap so far now add percentages from masteries and items (30 from deathcap, 5 from archmage) 482 ap.
now i have a rough estimate about the amount of ap you have lets look at ekkos ap scalings to see the damage potential with items assuming your level 18
his passive deals a total of 231 damage base with 70% ap scalings for a total of 568 dmg his q deals a base of 290 damage on the way out and in with 80% scaling for a total of 675 dmg his e does a base of 170 dmg with 20% scaling for 266 dmg his ult does a base of 500 dmg and has 130% scaling for 1126 dmg
ignoring ekkos base ad and assuming lichbane only managed to proc a single time, lichbane did 241 dmg
ludens did 172 dmg
assuming you got only a single auto in him to proc ludens, arcane blade from masteries did an extra 24 dmg
so when we total things up, you did 3072 damage before MR.
cass has a base health of 1781 at level 18.
im not factoring in ekkos w because you said you didnt even drop her 60% hp but, im having a hard time believing your story
Yenn1 votes[{quoted}](name=Michael Holmes,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dAeJ9yx0,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2015-06-01T06:09:30.414+0000)
im gona go through some numbers here. 3 ap quints 15 ap masteries at lvl 18 22 ap lichbane 80 ap deathcap 120 ap ludens 120 ap 357 ap so far now add percentages from masteries and items (30 from deathcap, 5 from archmage) 482 ap.
now i have a rough estimate about the amount of ap you have lets look at ekkos ap scalings to see the damage potential with items assuming your level 18
his passive deals a total of 231 damage base with 70% ap scalings for a total of 568 dmg his q deals a base of 290 damage on the way out and in with 80% scaling for a total of 675 dmg his e does a base of 170 dmg with 20% scaling for 266 dmg his ult does a base of 500 dmg and has 130% scaling for 1126 dmg
ignoring ekkos base ad and assuming lichbane only managed to proc a single time, lichbane did 241 dmg
ludens did 172 dmg
assuming you got only a single auto in him to proc ludens, arcane blade from masteries did an extra 24 dmg
so when we total things up, you did 3072 damage before MR.
cass has a base health of 1781 at level 18.
im not factoring in ekkos w because you said you didnt even drop her 60% hp but, im having a hard time believing your story
What does Archangel do and what is the passive bonus to Cass's E? p.s. they shield and heal her, respectively.
After penetration, she mitigates my damage by about 38%, dropping it to 1904. Archangel Shield absorbs another 600 of that damage, to 1304.
Without the ~200 healing from Twin Fangs, she's not dead and I can't do anything for the next 6 seconds. With the healing from Twin Fangs, I took 1100/1900 of her health, leaving her around 45%.
TheMoonMan1 voteswith archangels and full mana at level 18, she would get a 628 sheild from archangels. Her e heals for such a low amount i dont feel its worthwhile to mention it but lets assume she has 500 ap, and landed 5 twin fangs for a total heal of 380. her magic res (30) + 25 from grail using the formula 100/(100+resistance(55)) is 64, for 64% taken from magic dmg
3072x64% -628 from shield - 380 from heals for a total of 958 damage. none of this accounts for the fact though that youd have to be bleeding edge retarded to only land a single auto, and miss your W stun since cass slow/speed up isnt enough to keep ekko with slow/speed ups off her. if you factor in another passive proc at this point with another lich bane proc, you've had dealt another 514 damage after resistances for a total of 1472 damage. if the enemy cassiopia built some defensive items, then yeah, you probably shouldnt be able to 100-0 her but to make the statement that he cant solo a single apc is absurd
Yenn1 votes[{quoted}](name=Michael Holmes,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dAeJ9yx0,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2015-06-01T06:37:00.723+0000)
with archangels and full mana at level 18, she would get a 628 sheild from archangels. Her e heals for such a low amount i dont feel its worthwhile to mention it but lets assume she has 500 ap, and landed 5 twin fangs for a total heal of 380. her magic res (30) + 25 from grail using the formula 100/(100+resistance(55)) is 64, for 64% taken from magic dmg
3072x64% -628 from shield - 380 from heals for a total of 958 damage. none of this accounts for the fact though that youd have to be bleeding edge retarded to only land a single auto, and miss your W stun since cass slow/speed up. if you factor in another passive proc at this point with another lich bane proc, you've had dealt another 514 damage after resistances for a total of 1472 damage. if the enemy cassiopia built some defensive items, then yeah, you probably shouldnt be able to 100-0 her but to make the statement that he cant solo a single apc is absurd.
She also has MR from runes and masteries. I'm not going to survive 7 seconds to get another combo off. I have no survivability from items. It's only going to take her Q + W + Ignite + 3-4 E casts to kill me before my cooldowns are back up.
He can't solo 95% of AP carries. If it were something like Annie or Syndra, they would unload on him and flat out stun and kill him as soon as he got in range with E, without even giving him a chance to Chronoshift. Other champions can either kill, CC, or mobility away from him.
Cass is the type of champion he should do best against, and he still can't kill her, even though she whiffed her ult.
TheMoonMan1 votesunless shes speccing into the defensive tree, she does not have mr from masteries, and because of her passive, it would be right to assume shes running ap per level blues. if your fast enough, annie nor syndra are going to 100-0 you because you can press R while cc'ed and escape. they both have cast times
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TheMoonMan1 votesI'm not the one calling people names here, instead ill list what other people do. http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/in-depth-s5-competitive-cassiopeia-guide-378242 http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/snake-goddess-in-depth-349445 http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/translation-in-depth-guide-of-cassiopeia-by-fairy-da-yo-414686 http://www.lolking.net/guides/40918#runes im pretty sure the reasoning behind it is the fact she gets a second free death cap from her passive. Secondly, assuming annie has 500 ap like i did for cassio, i'll save you the time and tell you right now that she still isnt 100-0ing you with q w and r, which q has a travel and cast time for you to react to if you so choose