Unpopular Opinion: Master Yi is healthy for the game

Malfectious·May 29, 2018·3 votes·1,872 views

As are quite a few of the strong but easy champs to play. New players need to know what it feels like to carry a game, and gives them this opportunity. If your good, and playing with people who know what they are doing, is controllable. But, if you are new, and you've started to learn how to play the game...you can carry against newer players. This is a skill you will need to climb, not everything has to be about complicated outplays.

Champs like: will keep new players interested and learning.

15 Comments

Titanium70May 29, 20184 votes

Yep all that smurfs and wannabesmurfs abusing Yi in LowRank and LowElo for the 1000000th clickbait video really help keeping new players around. Definitely.

Dunno in what fantasy world your're living but Yi and friends are terrible for the game - they theach new player false behavior and cause more probelms than they solve. Yi especially nothing but a stat-checking nonsense adn basicly a throw-protection since there are alot ways to stop a normal but basicly no way to stop a Yi that has an actual team around him.

MalfectiousMay 29, 20181 votes

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Yep all that smurfs and wannabesmurfs abusing Yi in LowRank and LowElo for the 1000000th clickbait video really help keeping new players around. Definitely.

Dunno in what fantasy world your're living but Yi and friends are terrible for the game - they theach new player false behavior and cause more probelms than they solve. Yi especially nothing but a stat-checking nonsense adn basicly a throw-protection since there are alot ways to stop a normal but basicly no way to stop a Yi that has an actual team around him.

First-smurfs have been addressed tons of times-the system does not take long to recognize them, then they are out of the way.

Second-to be good at LOL you have to be good at the game, not just the champs. So easy to play champs like MasterYi let players learn how to carry, without having to worry about mechanics. They can concentrate on MACRO play, and learn what to do when they get ahead.

Third-it will also show people what happens if they let a carry get out of control, and teach them what they can do about it.

I don't know what level of player you are, but until you get to higher ELO any team that actually plays like a team will have a very high win rate, I'm not sure it would matter what champs are on it at all.

ModKnightsKemplarMay 29, 20182 votes

Fully agreed. He's irritating for the same reason he's useful; as you said, easy to play hyper-carry.

GaliöMay 29, 20182 votes

He is pretty weak so yeah he is healthy

SambersMay 29, 20182 votes

Na fuck that guy, he's broken and is played by ppl with brain damage..

HammermancerMay 29, 20182 votes

three of the champion you listed Garen MasterYi Janna suffer from what I call Von Bismark syndrome

Named after Otto Von Bismark who famously tread the thin line of diplomacy to form the first unified german empire

Those specific champions will always either be entirely too weak or entirely too strong due to them being so non-complex that they essentially are stat sticks. If they're viable then they're monsters and if they're unviable then they're useless

MalfectiousMay 29, 20182 votes

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three of the champion you listed suffer from what I call Von Bismark syndrome

Named after Otto Von Bismark who famously tread the thin line of diplomacy to form the first unified german empire

Those specific champions will always either be entirely too weak or entirely too strong due to them being so non-complex that they essentially are stat sticks. If they're viable then they're monsters and if they're unviable then they're useless

I don't think you are wrong, just that you missed the point. Yes, they have their limitations, but there use is in that they are easy to learn and play. If you want to foster healthy new players, they need champs they can handle.

I would think that should keep them from the highest level of play, but you have to start somewhere.

HammermancerMay 30, 20181 votes

And I don't think it's healthy to teach new players that how to be good at the game is to basically just get too much tank/damage/shield and then go into a match with nothing that teaches them about mechanics, trading, or anything else

new players using these champions aren't really learning much.

there are better champs that have low skill floors with higher skill ceiling in each position

Top lane: Gnar Teaches a lot about kiting, and timing. Good for learning positioning, high skill cap, teaches skills that also are applicable to adcs

Darius teaches sustain, how to go hamm, teaches how to be beef

Jax Has a very low skill floor, will help to learn mechanics like auto canceling and whatnot, segway into jungle, can be outplayed when fed.

Mid Lane:

Ahri Annie Lux skill shots! very important, all have the same basic concept of CC and murder, which is something to learn to play with, and against

Akali low skill floor, great champion, obviously a high cap (a otp reached rank 1), learn how to fight with squishy champs, and assassinate

Fizz Honestly fucking amazing to learn, can be outplayed, needs to outplay, learn how to dive, assassinate, and escape

Support: Sona Massively low skill floor, easy to pick up, can carry, gives understanding of support, high skill ceiling

Taric Honestly the best designed support tank in the game, easy to learn, semi-difficult to master for a newbie. Teaches a lot about resource management, cooldown management, awareness, and auto weaving.

(Any of the poke mages above): See the same as the mid lane reasoning

The champs listed above offer a lot for little to no skill. and they never get so out of hand that you ragequit. A good lux is an issue, but a new lux isn't. Meanwhile a new yi can 1shot, a new garen wont take damage.... and then can kinda 1shot depending on how he builds

that's the issue I have, the kits are fundamentally too simplistic, they don't really teach anything.

WukongMainMay 29, 20182 votes

Yasuo Yasuo is also healthy for the game. There's this thing called the Yasuo-Meter. It tracks the current state of the game. If everybody on the boards/reddit ect are complaining about yasuo being broken then the game is in a good spot. If however they are complaining about other things then that means the game is falling apart.

Dead flag bluesMay 29, 20181 votes

Yes he is healthy (his gameplay)

On the other hand, he shouldn't be rewarded for doing less than other champs who are harder to play and carry with (thinking of Fiora Irelia )

MalfectiousMay 29, 20182 votes

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Yes he is healthy (his gameplay)

On the other hand, he shouldn't be rewarded for doing less than other champs who are harder to play and carry with (thinking of )

A good Fiora or Irelia have a lot more carry potential then MasterYi if you are good at them

Dead flag bluesMay 29, 20181 votes

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A good or have a lot more carry potential then if you are good at them

Sure, but a good Fiora or Irelia needs to have some mechanics linked to their kits (true damage thingy from Fiora by hitting those corners of champions, dash resets and damage reduction from Irelia)

Yi has to : Right click - Alpha to dodge some big damage (he can even build tanky and ignore damage), Right click right click - Kill - Q reset and go on

MalfectiousMay 29, 20181 votes

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Sure, but a good or needs to have some mechanics linked to their kits (true damage thingy from Fiora by hitting those corners of champions, dash resets and damage reduction from Irelia)

Yi has to : Right click - Alpha to dodge some big damage (he can even build tanky and ignore damage), Right click right click - Kill - Q reset and go on

Correct! But, everyone that has spent time playing has had to figure out what to do about MasterYi , and since his kit is linear-he is much easier to stop.

Fiora and Irelia can do more in a 1v1 or 1v2 situation, even against people who know their kit. They bring just as much damage as MasterYi

Not to mention:

AOE Healing in a team fight Fiora AOE Stun Irelia Riposte-can counter most abilities Fiora
and Irelia can slow and disarm you, then has a dash execute.

Mokiller5May 30, 20181 votes

I agree with the op. The original intent of champs like Yi, Garen, Annie, Ashe, was that they are introductory champions of each type of playstyle/role. Yi = Assassin Garen = Tank Annie = Mage Ashe = ADC These are especially designed for newer players to get a hold of, which is also why they are so cheap and easy to pickup and play. They give a taste of the type of playstyle you like best in LoL.

If you enjoyed playing assassin playstyle then maybe after yi you would dive into talon or zed, which are much harder to play. same goes for adcs, enjoyed ashe? perhaps caityln or vayne is your next forte.

Now to be honest in the right hands a well experienced player can literally take ANY champion and use it to its maximum potential, not just master yi. So all in all these champs are EASY to pickup, but actually somewhat difficult to master (use to full effectiveness).