2.7k hp, 150 armour, and 100 mr while being capable of shredding whole teams in less than 6 seconds. Not to mention he is usually paired with a 
or 
that can give him 500+ shields and more damage.
Ahristocats22 voteswhen a champion has 6% max hp damage on each attack and 28% armor+28% mr shred
that's what you get, an adc that is not forced to build lastwhisper or any penetration and can still shred tanks
AirKingNeo14 votesGuy has almost double kayle's shred
fuck this game
PB4UAME9 votesWithout any of the ramp, either.
Tails90161 votesAnd even more range.
Thefrostyviking8 votesHe doesn't go invulnerable at least, not without a kayle behind helping out.
....Gawd that's a nightmare in itself, imagine a teamcomp with lulu support, kayle midlane, jungle and top as tanks-
Solid frontline, solid support, unkillable backline, in a temporarily but literal sense.
50000000000000001 votesKog'Maw comp is fairly common already. Combine that with utility midlaner and two frontline in top and jungle.
Thefrostyviking1 votesI´d say having kog being flat out impossible to kill for 2 seconds when it really matters is worse to deal with than him having some big shields x)
That's my personal opinion though.
Votable Jester1 votesYou don't know how big shields can get...
Thefrostyviking1 votesNo matter how much 2 people try there is a limit to how much they can do,there are champs whose rotation would kill a kog twice over, stack two or three of those and he´ll probably still die.
But that doesn't matter to kayle in that situation, if you dedicate yourselves to picking one of them off then they will survive with kayle there.
Of course, if lacking that kinda burst then big shields are just as bad as kayle ulti, he won't die regardless.
DeusVult1 votesHe doesnt need to build last whisper, almost 60% of his damage is magic damage. builds on-hit items, for the increased on-hit, for on-hit magic damage, MR and MR shred, to spread the on hit, for health and on-hit slow.
He only gets so that on the off chance you can kill him through the shields and heals stacked on top of him, that he will come back with fresh CDs and more shields
He doesnt need last whisper or Void staff because his damage is hybrid with a ton of shred and he deals bonus damage to tanks.
Tèrminus14 votesJust make his W do % current HP instead of % max HP.
It'd make his ult fit in better with the kit anyway, what with it being an execute.
greekvandaL9 votesWhere have you been since ....his release lmfao. I miss ap kog so much tbh the time where he was played mid because he was garbage till 4 items. Now he has officially scaled into mid game with a recurve and pickaxe
Teridax687 votesWhile higher-profile marksmen such as Tristana, Twitch and Vayne have received more flak on the Boards recently, I personally think Kog'Maw represents some of the worst issues with the design of marksmen: as a champion with long-ranged, point-and-click damage, Kog'Maw's entire counterplay boils down to killing him before he kills you. However, in an environment where a) marksman damage is exceptionally high, and b) back lines are exceptionally well-defended, that counterplay is severely reduced. Moreover, the fact that his damage is target-agnostic means that the classes who have to travel the longest amount of time in order to reach him, i.e. fighters and tanks, are the ones that suffer even harder from his damage output. The fact that he is able to build a large amount of defenses on top of that, and receive even more protection from his support, adds insult to injury, as even at melee range it takes far too long to kill him relative to the time it takes for him to kill his opponents.
In general, the problem with a lot of marksmen is that their almost purely point-and-click damage means that they automatically put any target within range on a clock, where their victim is guaranteed to die within a certain time if the marksman is allowed to attack them unhindered. In the case of most marksmen, however, this is at least mitigated by the fact that their attack range is 550 units, allowing other classes to either outrange them or close a shorter gap in order to reach them. Kog'Maw does not have this limitation, however, and as such is capable of starting the clock much sooner, particularly since the steroid that enables this power has a significant uptime. He doesn't have mobility or hard CC, unlike most other marksmen, but neither of those weaknesses are as significant as they could be when he is constantly accompanied by a support, who can supply both lockdown and necessary protection, and can personally build a fair amount of defenses without cutting too hard into his own damage.
More generally, I think Kog'Maw is a good indicator that the clock every marksman applies on their target is currently far too short, as there are frequently cases of melee champions getting killed before they could truly get in range and deal significant damage to them, and even mages having a harder time dealing with marksmen whose mobility, range, or stealth allows them to kill them far too quickly. This is why I think Vayne and Twitch in particular have been unhealthy for quite some time, as their combination of upfront burst, stealth, and on-demand power (plus range, in Twitch's case) make them impossible to deal with properly past a certain number of items.
Catastrophic1 votesTeridax, why are you no longer on the moderation team?
Teridax681 votesI left a few months ago, actually! Nothing too serious, and mostly had to do with internal shifts (used to be the Warden team, now it's just mods). I had a blast, though!
Catastrophic2 votesI always enjoy your posts, and I'm glad you're still here, keep up the good work.
Teridax681 votesThank you! I'll try my best <3
AR URF6 votesHonestly I still believe that %hp dmg is what's unhealthy about the game. I already hate %hp dmg tanks and know for a fact that carries should not have it. 
procs it on her 3rd shot.
Hópe5 votesSeems to me like Janna and Lulu are the bigger problem. They've been making champs OP and it seems like nobody really notices. Theres a reason ardent censor busted worlds and other supports werent as good users compared to those 2 toxic fucks.
ModWulf Helhammer2 votesAnd I'd just like to point out to the boards that this isn't a crit build, and the only crit he gets is just an added bonus, and not the thing he's trying to get from the item.
gabetheguy16 votes[{quoted}](name=The Wolf King,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d2aJJsjY,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-27T16:55:26.509+0000)
And I'd just like to point out to the boards that this isn't a crit build, and the only crit he gets is just an added bonus, and not the thing he's trying to get from the item.
who in their right mind builds kog'maw crit? wtf?
ModWulf Helhammer4 votes....That was kinda my point. People on the boards complain that crit is OP or whatever, meanwhile you have some of the best ADCs use on-hit builds without a bit of crit.
Sohleks8 votesBoth are out of line.
But it may be possible to fix the dynamics without direct nerfs by giving fighters a realistic fighting chance again.. Maybe.
Mainly crit is just a tad too cheap. ( Riot's crusade to make/balance the game around shorter and buffing scaling is damaging the game. In higher ranks or in anyone's eyes that can properly play the game they will play the hard carries and pull through a mildly difficult start (it's nowhere near as difficult as it used to be) but still have those snowball levers play in their favor if they don't suck therefor completely sealing the game.)
As for Kog's build the pieces out of line would be wit's end and frozen mallet. Wit's end and mallet helped AD Kennen be pick ban last season (despite its questionable performance). I also rush wits end on Gnar now in ap matchups which if I'm tryharding is the main time I pick Gnar because magic resist itemization hard shuts down AP and Gnar is a ranged fighter tank that will kill them. Wits end is just too really good and not at all a tradeoff considering it's an early AP blocker that will further multiply Kog's support shields and health built from the mallet. And need I even need to explain what is wrong with mallet? Its got way too much health for what it does. That 300 extra health it has over cleaver is why I stopped building cleaver on Gnar nearly 2 years ago.
Also ninja tabi is still kinda dumb. But it's less apparent with this season's low base defenses so what was an OP item is more acceptable. But it's still a very anti fighter problem item top lane because you get perfectly good defenses for your gold but also your 45 movespeed which is HUGE in fights and everything really especially in fights with melee characters. Like wits end it's not making an appropriate tradeoff because you get good defense for your gold but movespeed too (like good dmg for the gold but mr too)
I'm not here to cry. I just been abusing this crap long before is was a blip on anyone's radar. And shit's still broken. And the game never gets fixed.
It's actually defense stats that go unchecked because it's only more abused in higher ranks and because they keep designing the game so that bulking up is an almost mandatory if responsible decision point in the game. I'm surprised they went the other way and made base defenses even lower this season though it has made a more chaotic preseason solo queue. But in all seriousness I'm not one bit surprised the boring farm and scale with mostly uncounterplayable champions playstyle is still dominant
XeroKimo1 votesI remember the times when Wit's end was a useless piece of garbage item that no one bought unless they're trolling.....
Man times have changed
Sohleks1 votesActually... yeah. It's still pretty limited in use.
I'd say the magic pen reducing effect added further narrowed down its users and made it OP on a few select champions "but it's K because only few select champions; seemed like good idea at the time"
Kog'Maw/Kayle/Kennen sometimes Teemo ect.
I can run it on Gnar because of how good Gnar is and how good MR shuts down AP and he does have some decent magic damage that actually amounts up with wits end
It might also be because at only 2500g it is a really strong mid game item where it has a big dominant window. Completed hybrid offense/defense item cheaper than most core items.
Blåbæret1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Wolf King,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d2aJJsjY,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-27T19:34:44.786+0000)
....That was kinda my point. People on the boards complain that crit is OP or whatever, meanwhile you have some of the best ADCs use on-hit builds without a bit of crit.
Crit is OP if you can abuse it hard enough (which most ADCs do). On-hit just happens to be better on Kog because of his kit.
haaaaaaalp1 votesCrit is OP if you can abuse it hard enough (which most ADCs do). On-hit just happens to be better on Kog because of his kit.
Na, crit is op when ranged adc abuse it because everything is op when ranged adc abuses them. Crit is fine on melee champions.
Lord Phazanor 1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Wolf King,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d2aJJsjY,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-27T19:34:44.786+0000)
....That was kinda my point. People on the boards complain that crit is OP or whatever, meanwhile you have some of the best ADCs use on-hit builds without a bit of crit.
Complaining about crit and Kog'Maw abusing on-hits are not mutually exclusive.
haaaaaaalp1 votesYeah, no idea why people think that we need to nerf the crit items. We just need to nerf the ranged adc.
Iffy Jarl2 votesisn't that what yall wanted? higher itemization? now the build costs like 16,500
Dasdi965 votes[{quoted}](name=Iffy Jarl,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d2aJJsjY,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-01-27T23:29:44.328+0000)
isn't that what yall wanted? higher itemization? now the build costs like 16,500
The build I posted costs 3600+2600+2500+3100+2400+1100 = 15300 gold, this is quite cheap than the 16k+ full builds on mages/fighters.
Iffy Jarl1 votesThe build you posted sucks I added up the real cost of a kogmaw on hit build
Meep Man2 votesKog'Maw is one of the hardest carries in the game. He demands more attention than most ADCs, but has no escape. Also, that build doesn't have ANY sustain and is actually pretty subpar at killing structures compared to a standard Marksman build. Any armor is going to kill that build and if the target builds some MR items, even the Wit's End isn't going to cut it. That build is pretty questionable to be honest.
Rendrex1 votesBuilding MR vs on-hit build that deals like 70% magic damage*[zombie-brand-facepalm]*
vgamedude2 votesFunny assassins get nerfs and delayed burst to add counterplay meanwhile a whole role is centered around doing the most damage possible from long range with unmissable autos.
Dasdi966 votesFunny assassins get nerfs and delayed burst to add counterplay meanwhile a whole role is centered around doing the most damage possible from long range with unmissable autos.
Not to mention that the marksman class has an entire class specifically built to protect marksman. I have never seen a single support attempt to empower an assassin.
vgamedude1 votesNot to mention that the marksman class has an entire class specifically built to protect marksman. I have never seen a single support attempt to empower an assassin.
Yep. I hope it wasn't just smoke blowing and riot tries to add more actual diversity bot lane. The stale no counterplay adc garbage is really making the game feel awful and unfun imo.
DeadUnborn2 votesurgot says hi
YoloSweg4201 votesThis kind of nonsense is why Riot is so reluctant to ever let on hit items be good.
Infernal Ironic1 votes
Every AD carry is bassicly ranged juggernaut except some are mobile