why is armor so useless vs ad assassins?

Arammus··3 votes·1,336 views

you can be a 10.000 hp sion with 500 armor yet a zed or yasuo or xin or yi clean the floor with you. and i understand when you say yi and yasuo have true dmg, but what about zed and xin (without conquerer) how is it that they just destroy you?

i think without ANY ad assassins the game would be 100 times better. ofc not for those edgy assassin only players.

also arent assassins supposed to be like "high risk high reward" didnt riot state assassins go in, take 1-2 ppl with them and then die

no its actually more like this: they go in, fuck 1-2 ppl completely in less than 1 second and then use their w to shadow out, or their r to run out or their e to dash out etc etc

"well then cc them" yea its so easy using your entire cc ON ONE ENEMY when he penta's your entire team with an entire combo. wow we used ALL our cc to kill that 1 assassin. oh shit we're at 100 hp and have no spells left, guess the 4 enemys can afk faceroll us now.

and to all the ppl disagreeing: tell me what im supposed to do vs ad assassins? you cant just say "no they are balanced" and yet not be able to provide any sort of counterplay.

16 Comments

Who Fed Ru3 votes

lmao on lane 2 item 1029 are already enough to half his damage.

and to all the ppl disagreeing: tell me what im supposed to do vs ad assassins? you cant just say "no they are balanced" and yet not be able to provide any sort of counterplay

you also can't just say shit like this and don't prove it by any kind of math, because then you would see how much Armor actually counters Lethality.

Arammus1 votes

math? i dont need math to prove something that happens like every game. just test it out yourself.

also "in lane" isnt quite the argument. once they have duskblade and/or ghostblade, say goodbye.

Who Fed Ru1 votes

you know that the whole damage is based on numbers?

once you have zhonyas, the assassins can say goodbye.

HP Crookshanks1 votes

You usually die as soon as the stasis effect ends anyway. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Who Fed Ru1 votes

then you don't use it correctly

Arammus1 votes

zhonyas helps you 0 unless you use it under your tower. otherwise the assassin walks up to you, uses ghostblade and then you cant do much anyways.

Who Fed Ru1 votes

then use it when he uses his core ability.

A Zed that doesn't hit his Qs won't kill you on lane.

BIFF2 votes

You are at fault here for playing a tank.

This is the 1 shot or be 1 shotted meta.

Arammus1 votes

i didnt play a tank. i played lucian. but our top played a tank. legit sion with almost 4k hp and 287 armor. cant stand that zed WHO WASNT FED.

Tyliron2 votes

Still waiting for the math behind these assertions.

Colton1472 votes

item 3047 item 3191

Get 100-0'd anyway.

item 3111 item 3155

Become immune to all magic damage.


All AP champions and Corki are invalidated by a 450G item (item 1033) - AD are more superior than AP (unless you're an ADC, excluding Jhin MissFortune Draven Lucian, any AD-based tank (Poppy Sion Ornn), or Gangplank)

HP Crookshanks1 votes

So true. Even Cassiopeia can't kill a tank with item 3001 item 3194 item 3065 without running out of mana. But AD assassins are allowed to kill full armor tanks. [cass-cry]

AlienPrimate2 votes

{quoted} Comment from a different post.

Armor does mean something....when you actually build it

Changeitem 3146 to item 3143 and item 3020 to item 3047 and let's see what his damage becomes.

Math:

Armor goes from 102 to 182

He had 79 penetration putting armor at 23 and 103

23 is 17% damage reduction and 103 is 51%

His autos go from 1132 to 470

His R is 55% of his total damage and unmitigated did 2332 damage thus total unmitigated damage damage dealt was 4240.

(accounting for tabi/randuins) 1132 of that was autos putting it at 3108 which puts his total damage from other sources at 2580

2580 becomes 1522 after building armor

His damage during death mark is now 1992 thus death mark does 537 damage

Total damage with your build - 5648

Total damage with "armor meaning something" - 2529

##Congrats, losing a small amount of damage gave you 55% damage reduction (on top of the 17% you had).

######Side note, this math proved that death mark calculates damage mitigated by shields because Zed would have killed Morde before death mark activated if it didn't.

WalkingInACircle1 votes

Because their damage is that high. AD champions really shouldn't have the burst of AP champions, as AD benefits autoattacks as well, but AD assassins are given both without any downside. Even if they can't burst you they can clean up with their auto attacks.

Tyliron1 votes

[Citation needed]

SugeMinPikk1 votes

Shouldn't this be in memes&games

Yas, Xin, and Yi are not assassins

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