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When i get a kill as supp

sobi999··23 votes·2,530 views

Why is it always treated as ks? If you go supp like malz/velk/brand/zyra , it is inevitable that you will get kills because you revolve around doing burst damage and it is also the means of saving you. Also supp's getting kills is not the end of the world, they can also buy items.

If i go trad supp ks is never an issue and everything is fine until the enemy burst mage turns level 6 and all-ins my adc. After that i am left as a pure passive supp who can hardly do any damage. I mean would you rather prefer this scenario over the ks one?

Btw i am a soraka main and in Soloq going soraka is a nightmare especially if the adc just doesn't play well, more so if the adc got autofilled. I feel like supports need to hold their own ground as well as supporting their team. I love being a supp but when it gets to the point that i am completely reliable on my adc/allies , it really puts me off because what happens then is that you often die whilst saving your allies and if they perform bad you also cannot perform good.

48 Comments

Spice POWAH21 votes

You're just treating the situation wrong... KS never means Kill Steal, it always means Kill Secure.

Jinzo Torrance7 votes

KYS = Keep Yourself Safe. Too many bans because of misunderstanding.

GULAG 4 U3 votes

Kys team! GLHF!

Shrek Luigi2 votes

i've been having the same troubles with my abbreviation for

Friendship Understanding Communication Kindness

Understanding

Friendly Ram1 votes

now thats stretching it.

kurthl33t9 votes

First off, unless you are ABSOLUTELY certain that the adc or jungler or whomever is going to finish off the enemy, it's always best to just secure the kill. Don't give the enemy an opportunity to get away.

That being said, the reason adcs occasionally get upset when the support takes kills is because adcs are very item-dependent. They need items to provide effective damage per second. Subsequently, gold is very important to them. This isn't necessarily the case with supports. Supports can bring utility (vision, cc, heals, shields) to team fights even if they are behind in gold. But adcs can't do their job effectively (sustained damage) unless they have items. So kills and farm are very precious to them.

DepressedAhri2 votes

ANYONE can bring vision. ^^

Chembaron Yamada4 votes

While this is true, supports are able to provide more vision than the other because of the existence of these items: item 2303 item 2302 item 2301.

The only other position who is able to get so much vision out of an item is the jungler. item 3711

deoje2992 votes

item 3340 item 2055

Chembaron Yamada3 votes

Which are available for supports and junglers too.... so still, the total ammount of vision available is higher for supports and junglers.

I already said it is true that everyone has to give vision.

Clementine4 votes

If you go supp like malz/velk/brand/zyra

none of those are supports, and you're not a support main if you mostly play mid laners in botlane.

AbiwonKenabi1 votes

He says later he's a Soraka main, what's more supportive than that? Why can't you play both? He's probably that cool Brand who remembers he's a support and still builds Sightstone and uses it.

Clementine1 votes

I'm just saying that those aren't supports, they're mages.

Castanean4 votes

Sona: KILL SECURED! Vayne: fffffff... Sona: Time to get my support item! Vayne: ... At least she's- Sona: item 3100 #Vayne: ffffFFFFF-

In all seriousness though, doesn't matter if the support gets a kill or two, so long as the carry gets assists. Though you do want to at least try to give your carry some kills.

DepressedAhri2 votes

Did you know, that Sightstone isn't even in Sona's recommended build?

It Hertz When IP1 votes

Seriously? That is depressingly stupid des-

reads poster's username

Ahhhhhhhhhhh

Paquay1 votes

Incorrect. Eye of watchers is in her recommended build. That builds from SS.

DepressedAhri1 votes

But Sightstone itself isn't in her build. Tell me where it recommends you build Sightstone. Because of that, most people will, AND DO go Frost Queen's because everyone is convinced the Eye items suck, and the Sona will forget to build Sightstone as a whole.

Paquay1 votes

Well I just told you. If you click Eye of Wwatchers then it will show you sightstone.

By your logic amplifying times shouldn't be purchased on mages because they aren't on the "recommended list". Yet you know they are a component in almost every straight AP based item.

Also, FQC isn't on the list. So you want to use the argument for SS, but won't apply it to FQC? Smh

Chembaron Yamada4 votes

In my opinion, KS doesn't really exist. People have to understand some points when it comes to kills.

If one enemy dies in bot lane, it is always an advantage for you. Doesn't matter if the support got the kill or the adc. If you killed the enemy adc, he is not able to farm and you are able to do it much safer, which leads in you having more gold than the enemy in the end and your advantage.

If you killed the support, that means the enemy adc is solo in lane and has to farm more carefully. You can zone him out together much more easily and therefore again you will get a gold lead because you can farm while he can't on the same level.

If you are killing an enemy solo and your ally rushes in and it happens he is doing the last hit... keep in mind, as long as the one taking the kill didn't needlessly spend too much to get that kill (blowing ults, flashes, etc), it is an advantage for your team. Your ally having the kill and you an assist is in total more team gold than just you having a kill. I know it is frustrating if you duel someone and another guy takes the kill, it is still an advantage for your team though.

But on the other side, please understand that the support is the role which is the least reliant on gold. So if you are able to give the adc the kill without risk (meaning there is no chance the enemy escapes or is turning the fight and kills someone of you), you definitely should give the kill to the adc. Because the gold is much more valuable on them than on you.

Just keep in mind what is the best for the team. If there is a chance the enemy can turn the fight killing someone, better take that kill and secure a gold lead.

Bladeƒire3 votes

Because it's annoying when I play Draven with 200 stacks and you purposely keep attacking when the kill is definitely secured, 800g is a lot better than 300

llIllIllIllIll3 votes

You don't really see people QQ about KS as much anymore - you must be really taking kills if you're repeatedly being bothered over it. Remember to always give your other teammates the kills except in situations where they legitimately have potential to escape (the exception being if they suck and you're playing an AP support)

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Athenes Lulu3 votes

I mean don't be surprised if you found out that your ADC isn't doing damage because he doesn't have the money to scale.

Because someone else took that money.

Not saying supports can't kill steal secure at all, but just something to consider.

Baby Ghoul3 votes

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I mean don't be surprised if you found out that your ADC isn't doing damage because he doesn't have the money to scale.

Because someone else took that money.

Not saying supports can't kill steal secure at all, but just something to consider.

Exactly. This was a big problem in Gold and below last season.

People would pick Brand or Annie because they hated farming, and they would just KS their ADC in lane and build AP. ADCs would be put behind, and an experienced enemy support would exploit that. It restarted the big "should supports build item 2049 " debate towards the end of last year (spoiler alert: they should).

Anyways now we're in the lethality and item 3814 meta. ADCs are no longer at the top, which is fine, but what do you do when Khazix pops up with item 3814 ? He's killing your carry and there's not a lot you can do about that.

The only thing you can do is kill them before they get a chance to try that, or kill them after they kill your carry so it isn't free. That is why we're seeing so many mage supports making bot lane miserable almost every game.

I don't think OP should be KSing, but what else can they do? The meta has forced so many to become APCs.

I'm also a support main, and I main Soraka . I get why they switched. It's annoying enough to have to deal with BrandZyra or Malzahar , but now you need to deal with BS like lethality and item 3814 . It's much easier to join in the absurdity and build damage. I don't know why Riot didn't see this coming with all the recent changes.

Krigjer2 votes

Because someone else took that money.

But there's a difference between stealing a kill and accidentally taking it.

Nami You know how many w bounces have gotten me a kill? Soraka How many bananas have chased across the map? Janna Fuck, within two games I took FOUR KILLS with item 3107 .

Like, I'm sorry, really!

Awesomedude88881 votes

Happens. But when you're 6/0/0 and your ADC is 0/0/6...

Moetaro1 votes

That's BS.

If your adc needs the kills to make damage it's because he has no fkng clue about how to farm. He can go hell, stfu and git gud.

Death by Glamour2 votes

Because 300g is better spent as an adc or jungler than a soraka/Janna ect. Simple and short answer I know but it is the truth.

And your final statement really hits the nail on the head why ap supports are becoming more favourable in solo que. They can carry a game whereas soraka can't

DemonBoneJangles2 votes

personally I believe a supports job is to support the TEAM not just one laner, imo a support could just as easily support mid or top instead of bot lane but people would see that as trolling and you would quickly be reported for it. in the instance of more damaging and aggressive supports I would agree with spice powah below, that if your adc cant secure the kill and no one else is around then your job as a support is to secure that kill (the best cc is death). and as far as that 300g that ace in your hole is speaking of, 300g is just as useless on a bad adc as it is on a bad support, a good support can use that 300g to do their job of supporting their team just as well as the adc can use it to buy an item.

Bones

Asayake 5150glow3 votes

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personally I believe a supports job is to support the TEAM not just one laner, imo a support could just as easily support mid or top instead of bot lane but people would see that as trolling and you would quickly be reported for it. in the instance of more damaging and aggressive supports I would agree with spice powah below, that if your adc cant secure the kill and no one else is around then your job as a support is to secure that kill (the best cc is death). and as far as that 300g that ace in your hole is speaking of, 300g is just as useless on a bad adc as it is on a bad support, a good support can use that 300g to do their job of supporting their team just as well as the adc can use it to buy an item.

Bones

Nope, going mid or top ends up with the solo laner losing out on experience, which they benefit from way more than an ADC, and also leaves the ADC defenseless.

They can roam, but should at least see to it that their ADC is safe and not just leach experience off their laners and poke a little bit.

sobi9992 votes

Its actually my instinct as a burst mage supp to kill atleast the enemy supp or adc with 1 rotation of burst before they can kill me or my adc. I have whatsoever no intention of ks and if my adc is really frustrated by this fact, it really affects my performance because then i am not sure how to help my adc as a burst mage. If you go lux and you secure a Q, it would be foolishness not to R the enemy because the Q itself is so hard to pull off in lane. Regardless of this if i use My ult as velk or lux, i am going to do insane damage and adc still calls that ks even when i burst the enemy from 80-0. I mean for sure i can give you the kill and do the damage but i can't help it if the damage comes as burst damage. if you think that is bad then even outside lane when i kill an enemy, the top laner says the same thing.

Moral of the story is that, as long as the intention is not of ks'ing then the supp is also your ally. Please treat us as one of you.

AbiwonKenabi2 votes

These ADCs need to remember that farm is far more important anyways. So unless you're a Draven (even then) an assist on killing the enemy ADC is nearly as good because it puts you ahead in experience and farm.

Ambient Snow2 votes

I stopped caring, honestly with this aspect

some ADC's will claim its KS

When they have already died, and you last shot the almost dead support / adc

And your ADC will still cry they were Ks'ed

I've had ADC's die and complain to me when I stop attacking to let them get the last hit

so i'm just like F it. if it dies it dies

Sayori Is Waifu1 votes

I'm a Soraka main also, we should duo....and share Soraka strats! do you max Q or W? I max W

Clementine1 votes

Everyone maxes W

TeCoolMage1 votes

Depends on the matchup

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

We used to have a choice of which to max before Rito nerfed her W cooldown at rank 1. :(

DepressedAhri1 votes

When you solo kill the enemy ADC as a Nami support When your team and the enemy team flames you for starving your ADC and stealing kills When you're on a call with said ADC

NotCounter1 votes

i feel like adcs getting kills is more of ksing than vice versa

serenity71 votes

Its only ks if you let your teammates tell you its ks. Build full AP and kill everything in your path. Sona item 2301 item 3285 item 3020 item 3100

Gwellaouen1 votes

Haha

Last two games ...

Got a Double kill as support Rammus Got a Double kill as support Orianna

And my runes and masteries were for support and not damage dealer.

I think my adc didn't like it on the first game. XD But when I could dramaticaly lower the health of the fed Nasus top-lane, I think they loved me more. lol

Nameless Voice1 votes

The way I see it, when I play support I'm giving up all the gold income from minions to make my ADC stronger. That's it. Any kills are fair game. I will rarely stop fighting an enemy just to make sure my ADC gets the kill, because I've seen ADCs die too often for that nonsense. The main advantage of a kill isn't even that extra 300 gold, it's the extra free-farming time that your ADC gets. If you take the kill, the ADC still gets 150g anyway.

deoje2991 votes

Just tell your adc "Death is the best cc."

R1NGW0LF1 votes

AMYOYO = alright mother fucker you on your own

Incarceration1 votes

I only ks if the ad is like graves or jhin. I just do it to remove a threat while they are reloading and move on to the next target. You really shouldn't be stealing kills, especially if you are a mage support because your main job as a support is to support. You support your ad by trading for him while he's farming because you have the damage early game, and you should be protecting him. I'm not going to use my ult on zyra to engage, I'm going to use it to peel off that leona.

Duke Anax1 votes

Just get better at Soraka (;

I just got chased to death by a Yi, his death. And I didn't even use my damage spec.

(yes I#'m really proud of that right now (; )

Teridax681 votes

It comes from the deep-rooted belief that the support has no need to interact with gold at all, and therefore that any kill they nab is a KS, because the gold could have been better used by the marksman or the mid laner. Obviously, this makes no sense when you consider the current presence of mages in bot lane, who can all make tremendous use of gold for more killing power, but even traditional supports can use smaller gold leads to rush key items faster, so don't feel too guilty about it. The only thing you should really be aware of is that it resets your gold counter, so if your strategy is to sacrifice yourself for the carry (another strat I don't think makes much sense in the game's current state), you're going to end up giving the enemy more gold.

Personally, I think it might be better for game health overall if kill gold were completely equally distributed, without the kill/assist difference. Most kill-based effects on champion kits already make no difference between kills and assists, and have been adjusted to that over time, and all these years of KS culture and associated kill "etiquette" have demonstrated that giving a special bonus to whoever lands the last hit leads to a lot of toxicity and counter-intuitive gameplay. Combining kills and assists into takedowns, and generalizing the gold and experience rewards (e.g. 200-250 gold for everyone who participated) would allow supports to participate in kills, without the silly fear of accidentally depriving the marksman of around 150 gold, simply because their tiny autoattack landed at the wrong moment.

DaNinad1 votes

you played a mage support ;-;

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