Why is a champion like this still tolerated? High burst, high long-term fighting capabilities, high target-access, high survivability, high CC, and once she hits level 6 she's damn near impossible to play again unless you're an extremely ranged champion. This is more of a problem than Akali in a shroud. [zombie-brand-facepalm]
O Fallen Scholar3 votesNo. Diana is pretty easy to deal with. Abuse her weak early game and get 6 before she does. The moment Diana hits 6 she's probably low health. Use your big brain to gain advantage. Force her to base, shove in the wave, maybe get turret plating and roam or go base.
The Highest Noon2 votesNo. Diana is pretty easy to deal with. Abuse her weak early game and get 6 before she does. The moment Diana hits 6 she's probably low health. Use your big brain to gain advantage. Force her to base, shove in the wave, maybe get turret plating and roam or go base.
How long do you expect for her to be weak before she's no longer weak?
O Fallen Scholar2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cyoFBQRh,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-01-27T20:31:39.918+0000)
How long do you expect for her to be weak before she's no longer weak?
By keeping CS and EXP advantage. It's the golden rule. Diana is also very weak to ganks so I hope your junglers take advantage of that. If not, you need to rely on yourself and poke her out early game and force her to back. Pre 6 is your primary winning condition against her if you play good champs with strong early game/poke. Also stop her roams with vision control and follow her if it makes sense. I personally recommend staying in mid and shoving the lane in beforehand. You should be really ahead already if Diana failed at roams and you already had CS or EXP advantage anyway, it's hard for her to recover from that.
The Highest Noon1 votesThe thing about all that is, it's not keeping Diana weak it's keeping yourself strong which doesn't matter to certain champions, such as Garen. That's why I asked the question of how long do you expect her to be weak before she's no longer weak? You can relate the same question to Garen. For how long is he behind until you behing ahead no longer matters? I've seen this in every game that I've ever had featuring Diana. At some point it no longer matters how far ahead you are; she WILL pose an issue for you, so what is that point?
TheInnocentdevil2 votesHow precisely would a melee mage work otherwise...?
ZephyrDrake2 votesDiana QQ really? Diana QQ?
The Highest Noon2 votesDiana QQ really? Diana QQ?
It's been Diana QQ since Season 3.
ZephyrDrake2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cyoFBQRh,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-01-27T19:47:05.033+0000)
It's been Diana QQ since Season 3.
the champion that is mediocre at best "QQ since season 3" whatever you say
The Highest Noon2 votesmediocre at best
She outperforms assassins. How is that in any way "mediocre"?
ZephyrDrake2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cyoFBQRh,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-27T19:53:40.900+0000)
She outperforms assassins. How is that in any way "mediocre"?
outperforms then how? every single assassin does what she does but better. All she has is more tankyness and utility than them since well... she isn't an assassin so she gets those extra tools. I have no idea where this "outperforming" thing is coming from since she is not outperforming assassins in what assassins are supposed to be doing
The Highest Noon2 votesoutperforms then how? every single assassin does what she does but better. All she has is more tankyness and utility than them since well... she isn't an assassin so she gets those extra tools. I have no idea where this "outperforming" thing is coming from since she is not outperforming assassins in what assassins are supposed to be doing
What Assassin do you know has her survivability grouped with her burst, CC and dualing potential? There isn't one.
DaBooosh1 votes
Which ADC has more single target damage, mobility and self peel?
What champion in the game has better waveclear?
Who has more health and healing?
More CC?
Health and damage?
Greater range?
Different champions have different strengths and weaknesses. You can't use only a few advantages or weaknesses to compare between all champions and judge who is overpowered or underpowered
The Highest Noon1 votesDifference is, you're comparing apples to apples. I'm comparing apples to rocks and telling you that an apple hits harder, is bigger, grows on trees, and you can eat it if you're tired of throwing them.
That's the difference in logic here lol
Nice health bar.
Is this supposed to be a burst mage?
I'm not saying these champions are 'completely busted', but things like this exist in the game. Why? Because while overall, stats may be better, when focusing upon one specific stat, it's much worse. This is what is bad for champions that have stats spread out across everything. They're okay at everything, but not good at anything. That is completely useless in a team, as we could have five people doing their jobs great, instead of five people who do everything mediocre. In the end, five people who specialize in their distinctive fields will end up with a better result.
Diana is somewhat of an assassin but is a fighter at the same time. Very reliant on landing Crescent strike, which is quite easy to dodge. She absolutely needs her second ult to burst someone, unless she is very fed. Other assassins can kill a carry much more reliably than Diana can. 
for example, just needs proper positioning(quite difficult, but is better than trying to land some skill shot that curves, from the same direction every cast. RWEQ, goodbye and E out. Talon? He can do it from much further away too. REQW D/F(depending on which key you put ignite on), Katarina, lots of skill but just too much damage.
These assassins all have a way of jumping on someone, bursting them, and getting out relatively easily. 
can use E on a teammate, and her passive makes it so that she can keep killing.
Gets out with the use of terrain
E.
W, E, and R
R is very reliable
Everyone's airborne, you become untargetable the entire team is dead before anything can happen to you
Even if you look at fighters and bruisers,
Disengage, burst, dueling
Mobility, dueling sustained damage, anti burst
QRRRRR PENTAKILL
You get the point...
There are so many champions in the game that are a better pick than Diana, I don't understand how you can call Diana even slightly good. She just goes in and is forced to stay between five enemies, quickly getting burst down.
And btw,
What Assassin do you know has her survivability grouped with her burst, CC and dualing potential? There isn't one.
This isn't really an assassin,
More burst, mobility, CC and dueling potential and survivability from his shield as well as the second cast of his W giving lifesteal and spellvamp
Same thing. Not much mobility though. R is even a disengage. Healing from passive
There are champions that do everything Diana does and better.
Difference is, you're comparing apples to apples. I'm comparing apples to rocks and telling you that an apple hits harder, is bigger, grows on trees, and you can eat it if you're tired of throwing them.
Diana seems to be the rock here
The Highest Noon1 votesI stopped reading when you classified Brand as a Support. Brand is 100% a Mage and Zyra's primary class is also Mage even if her secondary is Support.
lol. You stopped reading at the beginning of the post? If you really refuse to listen to people who make mistakes, you're really closed minded. When I mean 'support', I meant they are played in the support POSITION. This means that both Brand and Zyra deal damage without having to farm ---------> on very little gold and items
Brand is 100% a Mage and Zyra's primary class is also Mage even if her secondary is Support.
Tell me these supports' classes:
The Highest Noon1 votesIf you really refuse to listen to people who make mistakes,
No, I refuse to listen to people who intentionally spread misinformation regarding champions in a discussion about champions. "Brand is a support who does more damage than mid laners" is one of the most blatant show of gameplay ignorance I've seen--almost as bad as the people who use wiki to debate what a champ can do instead of actually playing the game.
Syrile2 votesIf you mean she is better balanced, with properly scaling abilities and proper risk, and without endless roaming abilities and wave clear without mana, then yes, she is much better.
The Highest Noon2 votesIf you mean she is better balanced, with properly scaling abilities and proper risk, and without endless roaming abilities and wave clear without mana, then yes, she is much better.
How is a 100-0 champion with point-and-click damaging dash that resets on Q hits but doesn't matter anyway because aa speed and damage buff on abilities and a pull that also slows (iirc) and double damaging shield in any way more balanced than what we have?
Syrile1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cyoFBQRh,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-01-27T19:50:40.598+0000)
How is a 100-0 champion with point-and-click damaging dash that resets on Q hits but doesn't matter anyway because aa speed and damage buff on abilities and a pull that also slows (iirc) and double damaging shield in any way more balanced than what we have?
Her dash is only to a target. She only has one dash unless they have Moonlight on them. Her 100-0 is after she scales. She cannot do this without items. To mark you with moonlight she has to hit you with the ability she is going to wave clear with. Simply stand out of the wave so she cannot wave clear and still have serious threat. And I can go on and on.
On the other hand.... Talon, Ekko, Zed (of all people), Katarina, Akali, Fizz, Yasuo, even Aatrox, all have some kind of insane wave clear, on low cooldown or low cost, without as much risk or with some kind of safety ability, or multiple dashes, or healing/shield/resurrection, and all can clear and roam very easily without much punishment. Some even have horribly broken mechanics or basically no cooldown on their abilities.
And there are plenty others. Also, most of them do not need any real items to kill you and are harder to harm or outplay (except maybe Fizz).
The Highest Noon2 votesHer dash is only to a target. She only has one dash unless they have Moonlight on them.
So she can 100-0 one target. Great. Good thing she's never in a duo lane.
Her 100-0 is after she scales. She cannot do this without items.
Nobody in this game plays without items (unless for the luls) so that's a moot point. She's strong after her first full item.
To mark you with moonlight she has to hit you with the ability she is going to wave clear with. Simply stand out of the wave so she cannot wave clear and still have serious threat.
Did you forget her AOE aa buffer? And her AOE three-prock damage double shield?
And I can go on and on.
Please do, because your points so far are weak.
On the other hand.... Talon, Ekko, Zed (of all people), Katarina, Akali, Fizz, Yasuo, even Aatrox,
None of them are defeating Diana, save for the possibiliy of Aatrox, unless they forcably build to counter her specifically, leaving the rest of her team to destroy them.
Syrile4 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cyoFBQRh,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-27T20:01:36.274+0000)
So she can 100-0 one target. Great. Good thing she's never in a duo lane.
Nobody in this game plays without items (unless for the luls) so that's a moot point. She's strong after her first full item.
Did you forget her AOE aa buffer? And her AOE three-prock damage double shield?
Please do, because your points so far are weak.
None of them are defeating Diana, save for the possibiliy of Aatrox, unless they forcably build to counter her specifically, leaving the rest of her team to destroy them.
If you believe those points are weak, then you have never played her. She is vastly harder to use safely than all of them. She requires more scaling than any of them. The comment about no items was clearly talking about earlier power spikes, not intentionally skipping items. Most assassins can all-in at level 2 without items. Try Nocture top lane some time.
The Highest Noon2 votesI've played Diana, and winning lane with her is infinitely too easy. Like, until team fights become common she'll most like either dominate lane or leave you at a stalemate lol
Syrile1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cyoFBQRh,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-27T22:28:24.404+0000)
I've played Diana, and winning lane with her is infinitely too easy. Like, until team fights become common she'll most like either dominate lane or leave you at a stalemate lol
Winning lane with any champion is easy if you are better than your opponent and not counter-picked and not facing an op champion. Diana can easily be beaten. I gave a simple strategy of doing so just a few posts ago. She really cannot punish you at all if you play that way compared to a lot of assassins, like Ekko, that can all-in you and kill you and teleport away to safety while healing. And he is one of the weaker ones.
The Highest Noon1 votesWinning lane with any champion is easy if you are better than your opponent and not counter-picked and not facing an op champion. Diana can easily be beaten. I gave a simple strategy of doing so just a few posts ago. She really cannot punish you at all if you play that way compared to a lot of assassins, like Ekko, that can all-in you and kill you and teleport away to safety while healing. And he is one of the weaker ones.
She doesn't have to push you to beat you. You can't one-trick a strat and say it'll work 100% of the time, especially when the possibility of it even happening is minimal considering it's an overused strat that largely fails against any competant player.
Syrile1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cyoFBQRh,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-28T16:37:26.793+0000)
She doesn't have to push you to beat you. You can't one-trick a strat and say it'll work 100% of the time, especially when the possibility of it even happening is minimal considering it's an overused strat that largely fails against any competant player.
It is not even about just pushing. She is, by far, the easiest assassin to deal with and the most balanced. This is why she is not picked often nor does she have an absurd win rate. She is actually balanced unlike almost any other assassin.
The Highest Noon1 votesI'll just disagree, because over the past 7 years I've seen otherwise.
Syrile1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cyoFBQRh,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-28T18:01:25.223+0000)
I'll just disagree, because over the past 7 years I've seen otherwise.
And an absolute ton of people have shown you otherwise. Years worth of posts exist, including a complete lack of pro play of any note (unlike even other assassins). An abysmal pick rate and ban rate. She is hard-countered by some of the simplest champions in the game to play (Such as Annie). No one is impressed by her.
The Highest Noon1 votesYears worth of people telling me that shit smells nice doesn't change the fact that I have never smelled nice shit.
HighKobe4mvp2 votesI mean i hate this champ as much as the next cuck, but she's not op
The Highest Noon2 votesI mean i hate this champ as much as the next cuck, but she's not op
Who would win between her and who you think is op?
Jamaree2 votesBut....Diana is an assassin...what?
The Highest Noon2 votesBut....Diana is an assassin...what?
Diana is a Fighter, my dude.
Jamaree1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cyoFBQRh,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-01-27T19:57:08.992+0000)
Diana is a Fighter, my dude.
She can be called a Fighter all she wants, but her kit works as an assassin.
The Highest Noon3 votesShe can be called a Fighter all she wants, but her kit works as an assassin.
Annnnd she's a Fighter, and has been a Fighter since I begain the game in Season 3. The fact that she's performing like an Assassin, as a FIGHTER, only further proves my point.
Jamaree1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cyoFBQRh,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-27T20:02:24.342+0000)
Annnnd she's a Fighter, and has been a Fighter since I begain the game in Season 3. The fact that she's performing like an Assassin, as a FIGHTER, only further proves my point.
With how branching the definition of fighter is, it can easily bleed into other roles. Every other fighter that she falls in line with, ie, the Diver line of fighters all have ways to get in and get out. Diana however doesn't, she is a fighter who once she commits to a fight is FORCED to fight, much like an assassin. Diana is an assassin and lacks the tools any of the other fighters have, she doesn't have two lifebars like Kled, she doesn't have the instant 100 to 0 capability from stealth like Rengar who is also an assassin, she doesn't have the tankiness or dueling capabilities of say Irelia. She is an Assassin being marketed as a Fighter even though she lacks everything in her kit to be considered one EXCEPT for a rather meager shield.
The Highest Noon2 votesWith how branching the definition of fighter is, it can easily bleed into other roles. Every other fighter that she falls in line with, ie, the Diver line of fighters all have ways to get in and get out. Diana however doesn't, she is a fighter who once she commits to a fight is FORCED to fight, much like an assassin. Diana is an assassin and lacks the tools any of the other fighters have, she doesn't have two lifebars like Kled, she doesn't have the instant 100 to 0 capability from stealth like Rengar who is also an assassin, she doesn't have the tankiness or dueling capabilities of say Irelia. She is an Assassin being marketed as a Fighter even though she lacks everything in her kit to be considered one EXCEPT for a rather meager shield.
Well, I can agree with most of that but I can't agree that her shield is meager lol It keeps her alive enough to go in and do what she intends to do, itemization to closer that goal disregarded.
Jamaree1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cyoFBQRh,comment-id=000500000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-27T20:35:22.845+0000)
Well, I can agree with most of that but I can't agree that her shield is meager lol It keeps her alive enough to go in and do what she intends to do, itemization to closer that goal disregarded.
All things considered, it is pretty minor for how much she has to risk to get it. Her shield at max gives her 200(+60%) of AP.
Ivern gives 220 with 80% with lower CD.
Janna gives 210 with with 70% with no set up.
Karma gives 210 with 110% with lower CD, though that is gated by Mantra.
Lulu gives 210 with 60%, same CD no set up.
The list goes on. The shield is strong enough to eat a spell maybe, but that is about it.
The Highest Noon1 votesAnd in every lane situation of a 1v1, that's enough. A double-proc shield with 3-proc damage that also increases her attack speed leading to an AOE aa buff. That's what makes it not at all meager. It's a strong addition to a Fighterssassin.
Jamaree1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cyoFBQRh,comment-id=00050000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-27T23:36:44.484+0000)
And in every lane situation of a 1v1, that's enough. A double-proc shield with 3-proc damage that also increases her attack speed leading to an AOE aa buff. That's what makes it not at all meager. It's a strong addition to a Fighterssassin.
Congrats, she has a means of taking some damage, and can we PLEASE stop just listing out champion's kit, there isn't a single champion's kit that DOESN'T sound stupid when you just list them out like that.
The Highest Noon1 votesCongrats, she has a means of taking some damage, and can we PLEASE stop just listing out champion's kit, there isn't a single champion's kit that DOESN'T sound stupid when you just list them out like that.
Am I not supposed to tell you what's strong about her, in a debate regarding whether or not she's strong? It's her kit as a whole which makes her strong, in my eyes. She'd be much more tolerable if they just...programmed the stupid ass champion right. Why does her R reset before Q even hits? If she presses R before Q makes contact, it should not reset. That's a minor gripe tho lol Just something I noticed.
Eedat2 votesDiana is as little of a fighter as Wukong is
The Highest Noon1 votesDiana is as little of a fighter as Wukong is
Yes. Wukong IS ALSO A FIGHTER.
Eedat1 votesWukong hasn't been a fighter in years lmao. The only way to play him is as a missile who hopefully deletes someone before the enemies turn on him and delete him
The Highest Noon1 votesWell, you can check his page. You can check Diana's page too. Both Fighters lol I do agree that Wu as an assassin works wonders, but I can see him being in a bruiser situation and prevailing.
Eedat1 votesI dont really care about arbitrary labels. Wu is not a fighter. He's built and played like an assassin
The Highest Noon1 votesI dont really care about arbitrary labels. Wu is not a fighter. He's built and played like an assassin
Then again, he has an attack speed buff, a knockup, and an armor shredder. Three core Fighter mechanics.
The thigh guy1 votesDiana? You mean the squishy melee champions that actually has no escape tools in her kit? Unlike every other assassin she is punishable. She can’t get out. And if she uses the second part of her ult to get out, she does no damage.
The Highest Noon1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cyoFBQRh,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-01-28T03:17:43.896+0000)
Diana? You mean the squishy melee champions that actually has no escape tools in her kit? Unlike every other assassin she is punishable. She can’t get out. And if she uses the second part of her ult to get out, she does no damage.
I have never seen Diana not jump on a squishy and destroy them.
ValyrianBlade1 votesHonestly I agree with you.
Diana has one of the fastest one shots in the game, WHILE having point and click engage, WHILE being tanky to avoid punishment.
But sheep are sheep. The only reasons people don't recognise how busted she is are: She's actually difficult to play She's really not popular
So she's not a problem in low Elo because low Elo Diana players can't make her a problem. Then since most people climb from low Elo, she never gets seen as a strong pick to become popular. Yet if you watch high diamond to Challenger players, she's actually pretty popular among them - especially as a Zoe counter because she can start her engage after becoming drowsy and kill Zoe before falling asleep, LMAO.