I think Janna needs to be looked at

Akali is SO HOT·Jul 30, 2017·66 votes·4,833 views

https://na.op.gg/champion/janna/statistics/support

56% winrate with the 2nd highest pickrate (less than 1% behind thresh). She's been this way since basically her release and all of the love tap nerfs to her don't really change anything about how good her kit is at peeling and reseting fights. I'm awful at supporting, but if I get autofilled to support I just pick Janna and watch as my ADC never dies even if they are trying to intentionally feed. It's very frustrating playing a melee champion and trying to be of any use at all to your team because the enemy team has a Janna that just screws you over all game long.

She has a ton of power in her kit, but it's not obvious that's it there which is why she doesn't seem overpowered in game, but, statistically, she is completely ridiculous atm and has been that way for a long time.

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FilDaFunkJul 30, 201721 votes

She is supposed to be a counter against engaging champions. She's weak versus poke, so that's what you should pick against her.

She offers peel and not much else - it's only strong because so many champs like to hard-engage.

NotSpecialDudeJul 30, 201721 votes

Plus, in this duskblade assassin/tank meta janna shines super well.

HaIlMonitorJul 30, 20176 votes

I agree, I feel like its the meta. Tanky supports and assassins she is strong. If it was Zyra/lulu she wouldnt be played as much.

UltîmaJul 31, 20173 votes

Pretty much this. Janna is the disengage queen of LoL, with a specific but effective kit. She doesn't engage, poke, sustain, pick or deal damage all that well either. If somehow Janna was made less efficient as a disengage support she would cease to exist as there is nothing else holding her kit together. Janna is consistent at what she does, and her strengths are very potent under the right conditions, but I don't feel like she is oppressive or otherwise uncounterable. People need to stop picking hard engage and divers against her.

Akali is SO HOTJul 30, 201719 votes

Don't forgot to make a comment about how Akali is op or something and completely disregard what my post is about

LauchmelderJul 30, 201761 votes

Akali is completely broken and needs to be utterly destroyed by the balance team.

Akali is SO HOTJul 30, 201713 votes

TyrekGoldenspearJul 30, 201710 votes

Akali is hot.

Happy?

5000000000000000Jul 30, 20171 votes

but how hot?

WafflessssssJul 30, 20174 votes

SO hot.

SalsonJul 30, 20176 votes

Akali's Q should be a skillshot, and she should be mid-lane focused.

Happy?

Sexy Jack RabbitJul 30, 201714 votes

Not disregarding what you're saying. But it is kind of funny this post was made by an Akali main.

Zone of EndlessJul 30, 201716 votes

tons of power to peel but not a lot of engage potential/dmg.

I think that's somewhat a fair trade off for a support don't you think?

PennsJul 30, 20175 votes

tons of damage and cc but no mobility i think thats somewhat a fair trade off for a Chogath dont you think? hehe

RaoulJul 30, 201710 votes

Every Cho Gat can just build item 3800 , which gives him mobility.

No Janna player can build anything that gives her playmaking potential.

Sexy Jack RabbitJul 30, 201715 votes

It's hilarious that say "Love Tap Nerfs" when she is actually the most nerfed champion IN THE ENTIRE GAME.

She's strong in meta's with Tanks and Divers due to the peel of her kit.

Just wait for another AP meta to roll around. She'll crash and burn.

Sire HippingtonJul 30, 20175 votes

she is actually the most nerfed champion IN THE ENTIRE GAME.

And yet her win rate is always around the top 5 sups, usually above 53%, and her playrate is always atleast decent, despite all those nerfs, so it seems the issue is a bit more fundamental in her kit.

And yes, she is very strong in a dive heavy meta, but her winrate is pretty damn high in every other meta aswell.

4th3t0sJul 30, 20175 votes

Viability doesn't infer a balance problem.

ShadòwJul 30, 20177 votes

i have literally seen her picked in every one of the like last 10 METAs, and she never was weak. if the META favors her is only the difference between her being strong or being completely broken.

her being the most nerfed champion in the game and still being pretty much always in the top 10 of winrates, if she is not at the top of the table atm, isn't an argument that speaks for her. for me, that only indicates that she is broken even more.

RaoulJul 30, 20173 votes

As long as ADCs are the champions that decide the game, Janna will always be the top Support.

Douglas FunnieJul 30, 201712 votes

No, Janna was nerfed 5 times last season. If she's nerfed one more time, I'm done with League.

Akali is SO HOTJul 30, 201717 votes

She's one of the most nerfed champions, but she's still overpowered. That's shows that she's a problem.

HaIlMonitorJul 30, 20179 votes

She isnt always overpowered though... It depends on the meta. You know what she is good with, tanks that already basically dont die, and ADC's that deal to much damage. What is she good vs? The same things she is good with.... I think she is strong, but its also the league of mobility and her Q stops a lot of that.

LauchmelderJul 30, 20177 votes

Goodbye then, cause Janna needs a bloody rework.

RaoulJul 30, 20176 votes

Not really. People just love hating on supports...

LauchmelderJul 30, 20174 votes

That's complete bullshit, the boards has a hard one on supports.

Most supports are fine the way they are, but Janna can't be nerfed because it's her kit that's too strong. Numbers won't change a thing.

RaoulJul 30, 20173 votes

The reason Janna has such a high winrate is because you literally cant fuck up with her.

There are supports that are way stronger than Janna can even dream to be WHEN PLAYED RIGHT, but Janna can just be picked up and be played to her full potential almost immediatly. Everyone whos not braindead will figure out all there is about Janna during the first game.

And lets not forget, we are talking about SUPPORT! The one role Autofill was invented for. In most games, at least one support player did not want to play support.

Compare her to Thresh for example: Thresh has stronger Abilities, more potential to make plays, more potential to protect the ADC... but you can fuck up big time with Thresh. Janna on the other hand... as long as you are so smart to just stick to your ADC, you are golden. 2 of your abilities are point and click, one is a panic button you use when someone is on your ADC you dont want on your ADC. The only ability that requiers a minimum amount of Skill is Q.

There is barely any difference between a average Janna player and a pro Janna player.

ShadòwJul 30, 20173 votes

There are supports that are way stronger than Janna can even dream to be WHEN PLAYED RIGHT, but Janna can just be picked up and be played to her full potential almost immediatly. Everyone whos not braindead will figure out all there is about Janna during the first game.

There is barely any difference between a average Janna player and a pro Janna player

you just listed up exactly why she needs a rework

RaoulJul 30, 20172 votes

not really. especially the support role should have at least one champion you can just pick up and be good with, because of the amount of autofill people the role gets.

LauchmelderJul 30, 20173 votes

No, a goddamn support main shouldn't lose/go even in lane just because the autofilled support noob picked Janna. THAT IS IMBALANCED.

RaoulJul 30, 20177 votes

if you are a support main and lose, thats your own fault. Trust me, i speak for support mains, for me and the three others out there. I smash Janna lanes with Taric, Sion, Blitzcrank, Rakan... its not that hard to do. Janna is easy to play and near impossible to fuck up, but she is not that strong if you know how to play against her. But many times you will have autofill vs autofill support, and in these cases, yeah, Janna wins.

LauchmelderJul 30, 20173 votes

"Zac is not OP because I don't have a problem against him." "Duskblade is not a problem because I just won against that." "Azir is not unfun to play against when he is strong because I can easily win against him."

Just because you don't have a problem playing against a certain champion doesn't mean that the champion is fine.

Not saying I have problems playing against her, but playing against a noob support doing well just because that guy picked a champion with a kit that is beyond broken is stupid.

RaoulJul 30, 20172 votes

Zac is not OP. Duskblade is overloaded and should use the ward destruction power. Azir needs some love, but is very hard to balance.

Like I ask someone else already: Please explain what exactly is "broken" on Jannas kit. I wait.

LauchmelderJul 30, 20172 votes

An AD boost on her E which results in the enemy botlane ALWAYS being behind in stats when the game starts
A great passive for chasing
The best peel in the game by simply pressing "nope" (i meant R, i swear) or "fuck your engage" (Q and Q2)

All of that in 1 kit is broken, and therefor needs a rework. And even if you disagree, W is up to useless more often than not, that's a reason to rework it already.

RaoulJul 30, 20176 votes

You do realise that her passive only provides bonus MS when an allied champion is moving TOWARDS her, whoich would mean that she is the frontline in the chase, which would result in a dead Janna very quickly?

So without your misinterpretation of her passive, we have bonus stats and Disengage. And you say these two things in one kit are already broken?

Damn, half of leagues Champions are broken by that account, because honestly, Janna has one of the most basic kits in the whole game.

I mean literally the only valid thing you mentioned is the bonus AD on her shield, by which you got exactly into her niece.

empowering ADCs is very very strong in LoL and has always been. But is Janna to blame because one role in the game is so stupidly broken that giving them just a bit more stats turns them into monsters?

ClementineJul 30, 201710 votes

Every assassin and diver player hates Janna, their reason "omg i have to think about how i'm going to engage????? i can't just point and click oneshot anyone i want at anytime now pls gut janna"

Yeah please nerf Janna so we can have Velkoz and Zyra as the meta "supports" again, everyone loved that I'm sure

CavemanteroJul 30, 20173 votes

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Every assassin and diver player hates Janna, their reason "omg i have to think about how i'm going to engage????? i can't just point and click oneshot anyone i want at anytime now pls gut janna"

Yeah please nerf Janna so we can have and as the meta "supports" again, everyone loved that I'm sure

Yeah..no bias there....:/

ClementineJul 30, 201710 votes

The thread was made by someone only with an IQ high enough to play only Akali, who's an assassin and diver, which Janna does well against. :thinking:

Janna isn't even in my top #3 mastery points. http://imgur.com/a/iNHpy

Handin Out NapsJul 30, 20173 votes

Might not want to talk about IQ when your 3 most played in ranked are Lulu, Soraka and Janna bud.

ClementineJul 30, 20174 votes

47% winrate on your onetrick feelsbadman

Almost Janna isn't my 3rd most played btw

LankPantsJul 30, 20176 votes

I don't think Janna's that overpowered, she's a little strong maybe, but there's also other factors at play here.

The main thing which is making her spike up right now is the absurdity of Coin. She gets pretty much infinite mana in lane and far more gold than she ever has before, of course that's going to break any champ who was balanced around old Coin. The meta has also shifted to favour her more, a lot of champs being played right now are very dive heavy, which Janna absolutely loves.

As for why she just rests higher when balanced than someone like Thresh, she's a lot safer. Safe picks like Janna are always going to win more, how often does a Janna throw a game, you have to try really fucking hard to throw as Janna. Games in soloque for the most part aren't won, they're thrown.

HaIlMonitorJul 30, 20175 votes

She has a ton of power in her kit, but it's not obvious that's it there which is why she doesn't seem overpowered in game, but, statistically, she is completely ridiculous atm, ~~ and has been that way for a long time~~ during tank meta's.

Fixed.

Procul ImpetusJul 30, 20175 votes

Hey kid,first of all its not Janna. Its Ardent Censer that makes janna winrate due to its bonus shield and lifesteal it gives. Dont cry becuz u got rekt by janna

RaoulJul 30, 20175 votes

Not that i wanna be awise guy (kidding, i love to), but when you start with "First of all", your comment should have more than one point xD

Ionian VulpixJul 30, 20175 votes

How could you not want to look at her. That bod...

MLDzXnRRRJul 30, 20172 votes

Her point and click nuke + slow needs to be reworked.

RaoulJul 30, 201739 votes

"""""""""Nuke"""""""""

MLDzXnRRRJul 30, 20174 votes

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"""""""""Nuke"""""""""

280 base dmg which is more than what midlaners offer. The AP scaling is not great - 50 %, because AP Janna was considered toxic and ws nerfed years ago.

RaoulJul 30, 201718 votes

the range is low and the second you use it, you become a sitting duck... I would say the risk reward on this spell is fine.

MLDzXnRRRJul 30, 20177 votes