Can we change Cinderhulk to something else too? Currently, it just feels like an underwhelming version of Sunfire Cape. I'd rather be able to build sunfire than Cinderhulk, so why not add...
Enchantment: Juggernaut's Gage
+350 Health +25% Base AD
Unique Passive: Sterak's Fury - Not gonna retype the ENTIRE sterak's passive since it's like 3 paragraphs long, but also make it proc the shield vs. monsters.
Abyssphere2 votesNo. Putting AD on the tank item would discriminate between AD and AP tanks, which is ridiculous because almost every jungle tank scales off of AP and would never, ever buy AD.
If you want to replace Cinderhulk sure but Sterak's is a terrible choice of item to base its replacement off.
IcyPepper1 votesBut, er, it's just base AD. Except for abilities that scale off total AD, the only thing it would do is boost your aa. Which, honestly, still kind of makes it useless for tanks. The passive is nice, but it's much more of a bruiser item (and it's not like they have options already) than a tank item.
I'd rather have a jungle tank item akin to 
. Or Riot to experiment a little with PBE and try out new ideas, even if they don't get shipped out immediately.
Abyssphere1 votesBut, er, it's just base AD. Except for abilities that scale off total AD, the only thing it would do is boost your aa. Which, honestly, still kind of makes it useless for tanks. The passive is nice, but it's much more of a bruiser item (and it's not like they have options already) than a tank item.
I'd rather have a jungle tank item akin to
A lot of abilities scale off of total AD. If you want to give tanks empowered auto attacks then just put some on-hit damage on the item, don't put an offensive stat on it that unfairly helps certain champions above others.
On top of that, as you say, this is a bruiser item. Actual full on tanks don't want anything to do with it, or they'd be building Sterak's as is.
Kãtãrinã1 voteswhy would i want to give tank junglers a free steraks o.o the cinderhulk passive is ment to help with slow clears also, because they wont need the sterak passive cause idk they are tanks. Maybe if you buy it for squishier junglers i guess but i think you may see redsmite laners with it if the price is cost effective.
IcyPepper1 voteswhy would i want to give tank junglers a free steraks
Define "free." o.O
Three of the jungle items, currently, are similar to laning items as is. Cinderhulk has the HP scaling passive, but... well, it's definitely not overtuned anymore.
The only thing I would consider "free" is devourer's double on-hit passive, since that's a wholly unique passive in itself, but even then you kind of (and I sincerely mean "kind of") have to earn it first by getting sated.
It wouldn't be a free steraks, it'd be a slightly undertuned steraks intended for better sustain. And if we're being honest here, sunfire's cape is better at clearing anyway for 75 more gold. Don't believe? Check their stats real quick. Sunfire legitimately deals more damage to camps than cinderhulk does.
Kãtãrinã1 votesDefine "free." o.O
Three of the jungle items, currently, are similar to laning items as is. Cinderhulk has the HP scaling passive, but... well, it's definitely not overtuned anymore.
The only thing I would consider "free" is devourer's double on-hit passive, since that's a wholly unique passive in itself, but even then you kind of (and I sincerely mean "kind of") have to earn it first by getting sated.
It wouldn't be a free steraks, it'd be a slightly undertuned steraks intended for better sustain. And if we're being honest here, sunfire's cape is better at clearing anyway for 75 more gold. Don't believe? Check their stats real quick. Sunfire legitimately deals more damage to camps than cinderhulk does.
didnt say sunfire did or didnt clear better, but the jungler items ALSO come with either a slow, a ward, or a damage reduction on top of it, and as well give more EXP for killing said jungle monsters. You also get mana/lifesteal vs said monsters on the jungler item. so in fact cinderhulk is better then sunfire in the jungle.
Wild Wes1 votesMaybe they could make like two? With Cinderhulk and Juggernaut's Gage, Runic Echos and the past AP one, Warrior and like a enchantment that gives stats like a Triforce? I don't know how this would work for the attack speed enchantment but yeah.
Big Lincoln1 votesor you could just buff cinderhulk
