About the Sejuani buffs, they might end up being a good thing

IP Masquerena··9 votes·6,858 views

So I was thinking about this today, and for me at least, it seems the buff was a super good idea, here's why:

Sej was a tank, she could CC people but she couldn't actually kill them if not fed, but they could kill her. Now, she lost some CC and got damage, so now she can kill squishy junglers like Kha'Zix, Kayn (and Blue Kayn), Feedster Yi and others that are squishy but deal a lot of damage, and they can't kill her, so to prevent yourself from dying to her invades, more tank junglers or at least tanky toplaners should come out in the near future in the jungle to prevent her from snowballing.

Although tanks do have damage, some more than they will ever need, it's much lower than what the squishy stuff has, especially early game, when it matters a lot to get the snowball going, but by having more tanky stuff around the jungle and maybe even top lane, the general damage will go down a notch. How much, it's unknown, but it's still less than now.

So basically, looking at the bigger picture, Sejuani's buffs should (at least on paper) lower the overall damage of the game by shifting the jungle meta to a more tanky one.

27 Comments

ModKnightsKemplar3 votes

I think your second paragraph really gets at the issue.

In coordinated play, you don't need the damage. You'll have teammates around if you need to kill someone. That's what keeps her strong in organized play. But in SoloQ, you're frequently going to be in a situation where your team isn't responding instantly, or they have a map awareness fail that leaves you stranded. In those situations, a little damage helps to ease the burden on you, even on a tank.

I played with a Sej in multiple games last night and she didn't feel extraordinarily OP. In fact, looking at Lolalytics at the time of this post, she's still trash tier, so those buffs may not have done enough.

IP Masquerena2 votes

Yes, I know organised play abuses stuff like her to no end, so tanks don't need the damage, but for solo que, just as you said, the buff is welcomed.

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Moody P3 votes

Sej was a tank, she could CC people but she couldn't actually kill them if not fed,

do people actually believe this?

Ragnaveil1 votes

Who knows

Juice3 votes

What are you talking about?

I just played against Sejuani couple games ago who comboed me to 40% of my HP (from 100%) in a single skill rotation and if she landed her ulti I would've died

She wasn't even fed

I rather fight Kha zix and Yi who I can actually kill than a 500 armor hypertank 1 shotting me

OneMustFall6 votes

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What are you talking about?

I just played against Sejuani couple games ago who comboed me to 40% of my HP (from 100%) in a single skill rotation and if she landed her ulti I would've died

She wasn't even fed

I rather fight Kha zix and Yi who I can actually kill than a 500 armor hypertank 1 shotting me

The hyperbole is strong with this one.

Juice2 votes

https://youtu.be/oL25q8yZvyA

Hyperbole? WHAT hyperbole?

God I am glad to prove you naysayers wrong, btw she missed 2 of her skills AND aftershock damage , while I had MR and hp

Yup, that's a 1 shot by a lv8 Seju on a lv10 Renek

IP Masquerena4 votes

You didn't even die....

MR? 1 base item, that's lots of MR.

1 shot means you died, yet you didn't, that was pretty balanced till Teemo went in.

Stop lying.

Juice2 votes

I said she brought me to 40% from 100% in 1 rotation, which is the truth

"I didn't even die" if her aftershock, ulti and 1st skill landed I would surely be dead

Don't even think Teemo did anything in that fight, just look at his items - it was all Seju while also missing 50% of her skills

IP Masquerena3 votes

She only missed ult, as she did hit the knockup from Q.

Also, this is where they stopped hitting you: http://prntscr.com/m5xrym

Doesn't look like 40% to me, it's more like 55% or so, the rest of the damage you took was all Teemo.

So again, maybe watch your own video after you calm down a little, will you?

Also, in your 2nd commend, you did say "that was a 1 shot from a level 8 Seju on a level 10 Renek", so....

Juice1 votes

Apparently you are not aware of what red smite does, that's unfortunate, that was no damage from teemo but from Sejuani's red smite

And in my 2nd comment I was referring to 1 shot if she hit all her skills

She also missed her 1st skillshot pay attention

IP Masquerena3 votes

Red Smite would deal an additional 100 dmg over 3 sec, you took way more than 100, even tho it's true damage.

Also, I don't get how "she missed" when you got knocked up...like, that's what the skill does...and Teemo sure as Teemo has no knockups....

Baron of Bread5 votes

That Sejuani did about a third of your life in damage in about 4 seconds, the Teemo did the rest with his Q and degen. You might want to rewatch that clip.

Juice1 votes

The "degen" came from Sejuani's red smite that also made her tankier by 20% along with the aftershock, so if I continued fighting I would be doing 0 damage while she could also ulti me and continue to burn me with red smite thus killing me 1v1 despite me having 1.5k gold and 2 levels advantage over her

chipndip15 votes

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https://youtu.be/oL25q8yZvyA

Hyperbole? WHAT hyperbole?

God I am glad to prove you naysayers wrong, btw she missed 2 of her skills AND aftershock damage , while I had MR and hp

Yup, that's a 1 shot by a lv8 Seju on a lv10 Renek

I'm trying to find the least rude way to call you out on just how ridiculously misleading and overblown this post is.

Juice2 votes

And this is why it's pointless to argue on these forums

People will deny facts even when confronted with hard evidence in form of a video

The truth is, if this tank landed her ulti she would've 1 shot me

No misleading, no overblowing - that's the truth

IP Masquerena1 votes

Video where you don't even know what happened to you...

chipndip12 votes

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And this is why it's pointless to argue on these forums

People will deny facts even when confronted with hard evidence in form of a video

I'm trying to find the least rude way to fill you in on just how criminally ironic this post is, given the video you provided.

If Sej landed ult, you'd have died, yeah...

...to Teemo and Sej 1v2'ing you. Teemo already got 2 licks in while you were running away. If Sej was by herself, and you had ult, YOU would have killed HER. Also, you just skimmed over you doing around 50% of Sejuani's hp in your own combo when she bought armor, yet you're complaining about her needing help to do about the same damage to you through your magic resist?

IP Masquerena1 votes

I did a bit of math, since Red Smite deals 102 damage at level 8, which is Sej's level in the vid, for that to take him from ~55% to 40%, he would have had to have a bit less 700 total HP, but a level 10 Rene with Phage has around 1555 total HP, that's more than double the needed amount, so that 15% would be around 230 damage. Red Smite deals 102, so the rest of 118 comes from Teemo, but not quite, this math is a bit flawed, as I calculated for his relative HP from when they stopped hitting him, but the Red Smite was used 1 second earlier, making it deal only 68 actual damage after they stopped attacking him, so 230 - 68 = 162 coming from Teemo.

But hey, you know how the boards go "it's fair only as long as I do it, if someone else does it to me, it's not fair and needs to be nerfed for the one who did it to me"

OneMustFall3 votes

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And this is why it's pointless to argue on these forums

People will deny facts even when confronted with hard evidence in form of a video

The truth is, if this tank landed her ulti she would've 1 shot me

No misleading, no overblowing - that's the truth

The video just proved how BS your initial claim was, so I appreciate you bringing that to light. Sej got you down to about 60% of health and then Teemo Q'ed you (Hence the Blind) and followed with an auto. Acting like the toxic purple damage icon above your head was Red Smite is really hilarious to me.

You can't bullshit your way around this one when you post a video where everyone can see how foolish your statements are.

Poop Johnson2 votes

Wow is it opposite day already, everything you said was wrong.

You also completely left out Teemo being there which did a decent chunk of damage and it doesn't help that you used your full combo while she had her passive up, you had PTA which wouldn't do much on a sej compared to conq, and your first item was item 3142 which wouldn't help either. Almost all tanks can burst sej isn't unique.

Sire Hippington2 votes

you're a yomuun's rush renekton without ult, which means you're a squishy even with that little nullmage mantle(and with seju haveing sheen, she does atleast 50% physical damage) You had a bad built for dealing with seju(fine vs the teemo though) and she had help from teemo and you got away with half health... In a raw 1v1 with ult up, you would've killed her despite the suboptimal items and runes for fighting her...also, you dropped you're full combo while she still had her passive up.

Sewer Side2 votes

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https://youtu.be/oL25q8yZvyA

Hyperbole? WHAT hyperbole?

God I am glad to prove you naysayers wrong, btw she missed 2 of her skills AND aftershock damage , while I had MR and hp

Yup, that's a 1 shot by a lv8 Seju on a lv10 Renek

I mean...you didn’t die in 0.2 seconds like most champions seem to do.

Also, after Sejuani’s combo, she doesn’t have anything til her CDs come back up.

I hate cancer tanks as much as you do, but this ain’t it chief.

Done251 votes

{quoted}

https://youtu.be/oL25q8yZvyA

Hyperbole? WHAT hyperbole?

God I am glad to prove you naysayers wrong, btw she missed 2 of her skills AND aftershock damage , while I had MR and hp

Yup, that's a 1 shot by a lv8 Seju on a lv10 Renek

You used all of your burst while she had her double armor buff up and you ran away after her burst rotation finished. She loses a lot of damage outside of her passive.

Pandemic Punch1 votes

Khazix doesn't have to use a full skill rotation to kill you, then he can turn and do the same thing to someone else.

Sejuani cant even kill you with all of her skills and once they are all on CD, she can do nothing more than just stand there.

Revert Sejuani btw Riot. Old Sej was more fun :)

MarkedOfKane2 votes

Just waiting for the revert that may or may not ever come.

Bisaknosp1 votes

she seems to fall of really hard tho

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