Boards: "I want champion diversity...

IP Masquerena··40 votes·12,257 views

...but not in my lane"

Seeing all these "remove mages from top, remove ranged from top, remove Tahm from top, remove X from Y, etc....and I don't know what to think.....laugh or cry?

When bot lane had diversity, ADC mains were required to play some different match-ups, and while there's no denying that some of the strongest laners at that time were non-ADC champs, but Marksmen themselves were still playable and the most played class in the role still, but the ADC mains were the most vocal because they weren't the best anymore.

At one point, Sion mid was meta in higher elos, and even nowadays, when someone counter picks a Zed (he's the only Assassin I see in mid lane, excluding like the 2 Kats and 1 Talon) with a tank, the Zed will cry that Tanks shouldn't be allowed mid.

Not too long ago I saw "remove ADCs from jungle", more specifically Twitch and Kai'sa.

Now we have top lane where bruiser mains cry that they want mages and other ranged top laners out of "their" lane, but why is it that in the past, when tanks were the best class for that lane, mages and ranged champs were barely seen top? Because the CC from a tank coupled with a jungler was a kill on the squishy enemy, while the mage/ranged couldn't really kill the tanks that easily, and it's still happening now, but much rarely as outside of mains, barely anyone is playing Tanks. But do you know what these mages and ranged champs counter? Bruisers, that's what, and since Bruisers are the most played top laners....why not make it easy on yourself? Bruisers never cared that they ruin the fun for Tanks, so why should Mages care that they are ruining the fun for Bruiser?

All these things show us that while yes, many players want a diverse pool of viable champions and strategies, they want that as long as it's not in their lane/jungle. If it's there, it's the most toxic and bad and [insert whatever here] thing that ever happened in the history of the game as X lane is just for Y class and no-one else is allowed to play in it, the balance team has no idea what they are doing, blame CertainlyT and the bot lane for not being able to carry you, and most importantly, it's the jungler's fault.

131 Comments

Moody P32 votes

bro just be fine with mages top clicking you for free damage like Neeko and if you ever try to play aggressively you get snare locked and murdered, just be fine with that

just fucking lol at bringing up ADC patch when they were the only class who has NEVER had serious competition in their lane and that shift only lasted for all of like 3 patches before we were back to marksmen being the 99% pick rate bot class

Pika Fox3 votes

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bro just be fine with mages top clicking you for free damage like Neeko and if you ever try to play aggressively you get snare locked and murdered, just be fine with that

just fucking lol at bringing up ADC patch when they were the only class who has NEVER had serious competition in their lane and that shift only lasted for all of like 3 patches before we were back to marksmen being the 99% pick rate bot class

Pick a better champion that doesnt get countered so hard then. You clearly cant play the one you selected.

Moody P35 votes

ah so now its "don't be first pick"

Spicy Rice12 votes

It's some korean level advice

Just dont get counterpicked

Velzard of Koz5 votes

Just DDoS the enemy Neeko

Death by Glamour5 votes

just fucking lol at bringing up ADC patch when they were the only class who has NEVER had serious competition in their lane and that shift only lasted for all of like 3 patches before we were back to marksmen being the 99% pick rate bot class

I still remember the tears, seriously though truer words have never been typed on the boards.

Z3Sleeper4 votes

I was boutta say this OP was about to make me pop off I swear.

"ADCs had to deal with it" yeah and it got fucking fixed ASAP.

Disembark2 votes

Well tbh the adc patch didn’t add “diversity”, probably the opposite.

It was like: “you know how Cassio, Swain and Vlad are OP in mid and top? Well now they’re OP bot lane too, haha”.

DonutChan28 votes

Top always gets shit on is why they don't want ranged tops. Everytime you have to deal with Vayne Teemo Quinn Viktor it feels unfair because most toplaners aren't made to deal with getting harassed from ranged all game at early levels.

ShunTheWitch4 votes

Sounds like a personal problem, I play a very diverse cast of champions in toplane and while I have personal favorite ways to deal with the above champions mentioned, I have no issue in dealing with them generally.

DonutChan9 votes

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Sounds like a personal problem, I play a very diverse cast of champions in toplane and while I have personal favorite ways to deal with the above champions mentioned, I have no issue in dealing with them generally.

Okay then nerf them so they aren't unfair bullshit that negates the whole lane. Nerf their sustain, poke and escape but you don't want that I'm sure. You just want to shoehorn bullshit toplane while the actual toplaners suffer. Top is ALREADY a shithole that gets all the scraps and the bullcrap that doesn't work anywhere else. "who cares that it's actually IMPOSSIBLE to beat Vik top in some match ups at least it's MIXING IT UP XD"

Garen item 3070 item 3070 Darius item 3070 item 3070

ShunTheWitch4 votes

Again, sounds like a personal problem, the only time I inherently counter pick anyone cant even be called a counterpick since they dont normally belong in top in most peoples minds, I've never had an issue with vic, but maybe thats your fault for playing braindead toplaners like Darius and Garen :d. Consider Camille, Lyssandra, Cho, or be a smart boi and play one of these champions into one of these champions, Teemo into vayne is Laughable easy. And teemos I almost always shitstomp unless their two full divisions above me.

Consider Off meta picks for toplane, a personal favorite and my go to bruiser for top is Rek'Sai Top. Works great.

GayFluffyUnicorn8 votes

Ah spreading the silver wisdom of his insane rek sai pocket pick noone ever thought about.

You know at a certain elo people can play ranged champions without running into you melee range that is when you start to have zero counterplay and there is nothing you can ever do to them other than hope for the jungler to come.

The same shit when people here were like "azir is really balanced i play my ghost/cleanse udyr into him, so easy to beat. You guys are high elo? LOL".

GayFluffyUnicorn5 votes

I mean most ranged champions legit beat melee champions in melee range. In a full health all in. Which shouldn't EVER be possible. Especially not if it's lanebullies who are u know supposed to bully lanes.

Since the nerfs to camille teemo can pretty much just rightclick camille to death in melee range.

Zardo3 votes

I mean most ranged champions legit beat melee champions in melee range.

No they don't........

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

Yes, they do because unlike other people here i actually play toplane and know what happens there.

And i pretty much have a champion ocean from juggernauts, to divers, to mages, to champs like jayce.

Zardo3 votes

No they don't. Literally the only way they do is

a) They are jayce

b) They have some sort of advantage(minion/level/item)

c) The melee misplayed

Edit: You made the claim, YOU PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE. The burden of proof is on you. Show me the clips of this happening where it wasn't 1 of the 3 things I put down.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

I don't need to proof anything. Idc what bad players think on these boards anymore.

Yeah the melee missplayed in champselect by picking a melee champion. That's what happens.

Btw i love the fact you demanding proof when all you do is stomp your feet on the ground "NO THEY DONT".

Im Prismo3 votes

My guy. You literally watched the most recent SphereStalker video and came here to repeat verbatim what Hashinshin said. I honestly like him more than most but you don't have an original idea here.

Jimmy Rustles17 votes

"The lane that's been shit on for several seasons now wants help, meanwhile a bad thing happens in mid or bot and it's fixed in a patch or two"

Ftfy

Death by Glamour7 votes

Support has had to deal with multiple reject midlane mages and toplane tanks for years now

Moody P11 votes

which top tank? Nautilus was a jungler first

Anu3isII2 votes

Maybe he plays since Leona's or Blitzcrank's release xD

But yeah, from the beginning their kits were better for Support role than any other role. Heck, I think every lane (and jungle) has some "rejected" champions from various classes.

Death by Glamour2 votes

Shen was the one I was thinking about but even shit like poppy and orn have been played as support in the last year.

Death by Glamour5 votes

erm Shen even Maokai for a time pre his rework. Glad you brought Nauti up as I forgot about reject junglers polluting the support role.

Jimmy Rustles2 votes

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Support has had to deal with multiple reject midlane mages and toplane tanks for years now

That's why I only said mid/bot and not sup

DontKillMySoraka2 votes

bot =/= adc its both, adc and support

PB4UAME3 votes

You know there is a bot position. . . and a support positon, yes?

Originally, the intent was bot was any carry, e.g. AP carry bot, AD carry bot, etc. But marksman whined their asses off and made that not a thing, so now, actually, bot = adc as the role. And this has been the case for several years now.

Yets42402 votes

Additionally, there is the "bottom lane" which comprises the positions of "Bot, (Read: ADC) and Support."

SweedishGunner15 votes

You say 'boards' like it's one hive mind?

I for one dislike champions going to multiple lanes/roles, each champion should be balanced around one lane. Mages shouldn't be top, bruisers shouldn't be mid.

koshkyra3 votes

Mages shouldn’t be top, bruisers shouldnt be mid.

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Yasuo Irelia are cancer mid, Kennen Neeko are cancer top. Both of them would be much fairer to play against if they were balanced for their actual lanes.

Spicy Rice6 votes

Uhh, yasuo is a mid laner?

Technically, he was supposed to be viable mid and bot lane...

Ayzev5 votes

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Yasuo Irelia are cancer mid

preternatural11 votes

Twitch I WAS HIDING HEHEHEHE!

fuck this shit thing in the jungle

Daddy Ants1 votes

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Twitch I WAS HIDING HEHEHEHE!

fuck this shit thing in the jungle

item 2055

preternatural6 votes

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item 2055

oh ok it's so hard for twitch to clear it and then q in. really? this is akin to saying a pink ward counters eve or something, she can walk around it if she want's to taunt you.

Śhunpo1 votes

Rengar I'M GOING TO TAKE YOU FROM BEHIND RAT!

preternatural1 votes

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Rengar I'M GOING TO TAKE YOU FROM BEHIND RAT!

twitch made himself 4/0 and got key items in the time it took rengar to hit 6. game is already over when rengar thinks he can now get the twitch.

Śhunpo1 votes

That's a lie and you know it. Rengar decimates Twitch (unless he has a duo playing Lulu).

Twitch can only get to that point in lower ranks where they don't understand that he's a cheese only jungler with an average clear speed.

preternatural1 votes

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That's a lie and you know it. Rengar decimates Twitch (unless he has a duo playing Lulu).

Twitch can only get to that point in lower ranks where they don't understand that he's a cheese only jungler with an average clear speed.

he doesn't have to cheese anyone to win the game. he can just gank where it's opportune like any other respectable jungler, difference is you can't see him if he's good.

IP Masquerena2 votes

You can't see any jungler until it's too late if they're good, what's your point?

He's not Evelynn who moves in perma cammo after level 6, you can see him with deeper wards.

Vreivai5 votes

Mages in top lane reduces champion diversity, because you're never going to see many of the champions who are shut down by said mages in top lane in any other lane.

3TWarrior1 votes

it's more of when something happens that gives a power-spike to the mage

Viktor moved top when they buffed his shield for odd reasons

vlad moved top because he could pull off a similar playstyle to victor

etc

rework pantheon5 votes

Bruisers ruin the fun for tanks? Are you fucking insane? The biggest bruiser tanks have trouble going against is Darius, who is always banned anyway, when they just stand in front of him. But your average player does not stand in front of Darius and die. item 3076 item 3047 successfully makes a tank unkillable against a bruiser

Yääto5 votes

This went from champion diversity, to top laners bitching real quick. You ever think we're bitching because... our lane is the only lane with TOO much diversity? It's not like it's balanced. We get all the rejects in our lane and it makes actual top champs suffer.

Rıots Bad Client3 votes

I think it becomes Unhealthy if they become the dominate one. There always has been mages top to some degree.

With , Cho, Singed, Some malphites, Galio, hiem, teemo, ekko etc.

Ayzev9 votes

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Cho, Singed, Some malphites, Galio, ekko

AP =/= mage

Voluug132 votes

None of the champions you mentioned are mages.

Paletongue2 votes

Swain Kennen Vladimir Ryze Lissandra are closer to toplane mages.

While they aren't exactly dominating, Kennen and Vladamir have been consistently problematic in top due to their range advantage.

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

They aren't dominating?

Ryze was top tier perma pick/ban top before his rework, let's see how long it takes before he does it again.

Same with kennen, same with vlad. Swain is gutted. Great rework btw, thanks for that riot.

Lissandra thank god isn't played anymore.

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