Regarding the future of Akali and the board's "Riot doesn't listen to us"

IP Masquerena··33 votes·8,070 views

Can you guys just stop?

Akali is already barely playable, yet people still keep complaining that she's OP and "broken" and what not, but apparently even pros seem to be doing jack on her.

http://gol.gg/champion/champion-stats/3/season-ALL/split-ALL/tournament-LFL%20Spring%202019/patch-ALL/role-ALL/league-ALL/

Her avg KDA is 1.5.

Her current win rate even in Masters+ is bellow 50%, while depending on tracking site, she goes from anywhere between 42% to a max of 48% general win rate, based on ranks.

So in case you didn't heard, Riot is considering removing both her Obscure under towers and her Q healing. Ok, Obscure under towers can go away, if she gets compensation buffs to allow her to actually kill enemies, or at least, all the W nerfs reverted, but her healing going away? That thing is what barely keeps her going early game, you can poke her out of lane with constant poke, not a "hey, I've hit her once 5 mins ago, I'll hit her again now, wait what? She healed all the damage I did to her 5 mins ago? BROKEN OP RITO REMOVE".

(Seriously, a good bunch of time ago, I had a guy who would use a spell on me once or twice per minute, then cry my Healing is OP, even tho what he did wouldn't even be considered harass).

People still complain without even trying to learn. She barely does any damage, yet people don't want her damage buffed, so needs some defense, but because she can defend herself, people don't like it. Zed can delete you under your tower in 0.5s while taking at best 1 turret shot, people go "Zed is weak, even Faker said so", while, again, depending on tracking sites, his winrate is between 49% to 55%, in D+ and M+, but if Akali needs like 6s+ to kill you under tower, while also needing to execute it perfectly to avoid tower shots "WTF RITO, OP OP OP OP NERF GUT DELETE I NO FUN", but hey, I guess you guys have more fun playing "grey screen simulator", featured game powered by the rest of the assassins.

Then there's her healing, like, what in the actual SHACO???? That thing is there, it barely helps her and I've had no problem against it, because I actually harass her, I don't let her do what she wants, and you know what, for those playing AD champs or tanky dudes in top lane, there's cheap anti-healing items. item 3123 for your Zeds and what not, but then again, I can see you going like "but if he goes that, he can't kill that early", but then Akali can't regen either if you go harass her accordingly, and you do need that sooner or later for her Gunblade power spike.

(Speaking of that stupid clown, his winrate, depending on tracking site, is between 53% to 60% in D+ and M+ with a healthy 5%-7% pr, but hey, the boards call him weak)

Can people just learn to play for once? Yea, I get it, Akali isn't fun to play against, but that's not a reason to keep gutting her. There are many more champs who aren't fun to play against, like MasterYi Nasus Udyr Zed Jax Garen Fiddlesticks Fizz for a start, but noone cries about them. Master Yi is now considered A tier viable in high elo jungle by a good bunch of people, yet "he's easy to deal with, only noobs can't" - the boards.

https://youtu.be/pUYyuLTlX9M?t=403

Let that sink in, Master Yi, the "epitome of low elo pub stomper that's trash in plat+" is now A tier in high elo, then again, I expect people to throw a fit because that list isn't in line with their own personal opinions, even tho Moriarty, the guy who made the list is a challenger coach who could've went pro but decided at the time not to due to personal reasons (you can find the interview with him online, if you want all the details, go look it up).

You guys kept crying that Akali's heal is too much to deal with and now Riot is considering removing it completely, yet people still cry that Riot doesn't listen to the boards, but this also proves how little the boards understand about balance. If Riot removes her Obscure under tower and healing, she will need serious buffs in the damage department for her to be viable, but you will just cry that "WHY BUFF AKALI, SHE OP SHE NEEDZ GUTTING NOT BUFFS"

Can you just stop and let her be? Akali had enough nerfs, she's barely usable outside of being a counter pick in high elo to stuff like Jax, and since you don't want her buffed, which is an obvious thing at how much you cry about her, just let be. If Riot nerfs more on her, she will need a heavy power buff in other areas and you don't want that.

Instead of banning her, learn to play around her. Is it too hard, or am I asking for too much?

92 Comments

boricCentaur116 votes

love how you link the LKL spring stats idk who plays in that but if you go to Lck she has a 53% and a presence of 93% that shows that pros think she is good and she is doing well.

RainbowIcee3 votes

I hate playing agaisnt her, i dont think she is OP but she is aggrivating. Because of her cloaming and juking potential she is hard to deal with mechanic wise. I get "skill potential" but she is over stepping dimensional limitations on most other champions and we'd either eventually have to balance the game to match champs like her or bring her down to regular champions levels.

boricCentaur12 votes

Are you replying to the wrong guy like idk how what you posted relates to my post am I missing something?

DuskDaUmbreon12 votes

People still claiming Akali is OP are the same kinds of people who throw an ult into a Yasuo W that's already been there for a couple seconds and claim it's OP.

IP Masquerena4 votes

They throw the whole kit, not just ults.

Fízz v29 votes

I mean she is still banned a ton in 9.1 pro play and in 9.2 lots of good mid laners got nerfed. pretty sure she is op still

chipndip13 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fízz v2,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4Eh9y6WW,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-01-26T14:58:29.003+0000)

I mean she is still banned a ton in 9.1 pro play and in 9.2 lots of good mid laners got nerfed. pretty sure she is op still

Why do people only cite pro play for Irelia and Akali? If I say "Olaf doesn't need buffs because pro play" or "Kench doesn't need buffs because pro play", I get hit with the young "IT'S NOT THE SAME GAME" line.

VolatileAkali1 votes

Hypocritical people, what do you expect?

Nyarlathοtep4 votes

True its stupid but, when the fuck can they throw it then? As long as he keeps it you cant use your skillshots. Imagine him being in melee shredding your tank. You being a skillshot based champ cant throw it mindlessly. You have to force him to use it AND WHEN he uses it you have to reposition yourself and unless your champ is fast enough by the time you have repositioned yourself, your tank will have either died OR said yasuo would had just came for you.

You cant just say " REPOSITION" and expect to work out.

IP Masquerena3 votes

Your tank isn't forced to stay still. If Yas uses his W, your tank can walk away while you reposition, and most tank have some form of slow/cc to allow all 3 of the champs to get away from the Wind Wall.

Nyarlathοtep

Knock ups and generally speaking chain ccing would like to have a word with you.

IP Masquerena1 votes

That can be applied the other way around as well, your tank and yourself shouldn't be the only ones with any form of CC, and if all your team's CC is projectile based and you are all grouped behind the Yas wall, then that's a positioning mistake on your team and you deserve that outcome.

Nyarlathοtep

Something something... OH YEAH ITS SOLOQ. You cant have proplay communication here. People also here are almost always stubborn enough to not hear your advices. So yeah, keep trying justifying it, you will always fall short tho.

IP Masquerena2 votes

You have no idea bout the hypocrisy you just stated.

You stated that your Tank can't move away from the wind wall because of chain CC. Ok, that's a valid point, but when I told you the same applies for your team, not just the other team, you go in and say how it doesn't because it's solo que.

Hint: whatever applies to your team applies to the other team as well. If they can chain CC someone, so can your team, if your team can't, they can't as well, because the same type of strategy and communication your team has, the other has as well, since, in your own words: OH YEA ITS SOLOQ.

I Kill You homie1 votes

You yhrow it after?? Beating Yas is playing a game of bait...

Jbels10 votes

Most of it comes from it being a CertainlyT rework. CertainlyT is NOT the most popular Riot employee, and his long list of champions that are not fun to play against weighs heavily in swaying public opinion of him

King Lego1 votes

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Most of it comes from it being a CertainlyT rework. CertainlyT is NOT the most popular Riot employee, and his long list of champions that are not fun to play against weighs heavily in swaying public opinion of him

I'm curious to ask: What's your opinion about certainlyt?

Jbels2 votes

[{quoted}](name=King Lego,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4Eh9y6WW,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-01-26T21:07:44.505+0000)

I'm curious to ask: What's your opinion about certainlyt?

Honestly? I'm a mixed bag. When I was younger and he reworked Mordekaiser, I hated it alot, and I thought it was stupid that he was 100% pickban at worlds due to it. I also think that a lot of his designs step over the line quite frequently. Akali is losing tower untargetability under tower soon, to name an example of poor design decisions on T's part.

I am of the opinion now that if he is supervised when he makes a character, that character has the potential to be a really good addition to the game. If he isn't, you get champions like Zoe.

King Lego3 votes

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Honestly? I'm a mixed bag. When I was younger and he reworked Mordekaiser, I hated it alot, and I thought it was stupid that he was 100% pickban at worlds due to it. I also think that a lot of his designs step over the line quite frequently. Akali is losing tower untargetability under tower soon, to name an example of poor design decisions on T's part.

I am of the opinion now that if he is supervised when he makes a character, that character has the potential to be a really good addition to the game. If he isn't, you get champions like Zoe.

"I am of the opinion now that if he is supervised when he makes a character, that character has the potential to be a really good addition to the game. If he isn't, you get champions like Zoe."

Your opinion is probably very true. Hell, i share that opinion too (there's more but i'll get to that soon). Warwick is a good example. He didn't go through a load of changes due to how CT didn't work alone. However, CT said he didn't like working alone (or so what the community said at least) and rumor has it that he wanted to add a massive aoe fear on WW's ulti. Idk but 2 fears on 1 champions screams "very toxic to the game" to...pretty much everybody.

Anyway, i think ct shouldn't work alone, but if he keeps on working alone, then i don't think he should work in riot game (or even deserves to, to put it in a much harsher way). Of all rioters who designed champions, he's the champion of "most unhealthy champion designer this game could ever have".

rtbf22165141210 votes

To be fair, the only thing the boards wanted was true stealth to be gone. Meanwhile, Akali was nerfed via other areas because that is how Rito listens.

IP Masquerena4 votes

Takin away her healing was something the boards wanted even before her rework.

rtbf2216514126 votes

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Takin away her healing was something the boards wanted even before her rework.

Doesn't matter. After her rework the most complained thing was her stealth.

IP Masquerena1 votes

Most complained =/= only complaint.

If you didn't read most of the Akali threads, here is everything the boards want her to lose:

  • Obscure
  • Gaining energy when using W
  • Ability to extend the duration of W
  • Healing on Q
  • Slow on Q
  • R1 ministun
  • R2 execute
VolatileAkali1 votes

Imagine if all of these were removed with out compensation? She'd be actually the MOST USELESS CHAMPION in the game.

IP Masquerena2 votes

She'd be just a glorified melee creep that has can use some weak spells.

VolatileAkali1 votes

Pretty much.

rtbf2216514121 votes

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Most complained =/= only complaint.

If you didn't read most of the Akali threads, here is everything the boards want her to lose:

  • Obscure
  • Gaining energy when using W
  • Ability to extend the duration of W
  • Healing on Q
  • Slow on Q
  • R1 ministun
  • R2 execute

Again, if one post complains about her R1 Ministun (Which I actually haven't seen many posts on), that isn't a large enough of a population for Riot to take a stance. This isn't rocket science or about who is right or wrong. Riot doesn't give a shit if 1% of the community wants Akali to be 'less tanky' for example. (Which assumes fallaciously she was tanky to begin with). Her pre-rework means shit because it doesn't exist anymore.

LurkingVariable9 votes

Yeah.. you can say she has a low winrate and try use that as the fact she isn't a problem, fine. The problem isn't she just flat out wins games, the problem is she is zero fun to lane against. Your argument too that she takes longer to kill you under tower than a zed is cute. You actually have to hit your shit with zed and play your shadows correctly to even have a chance to kill them. Akali, combos you, so you back up to turret and she runs in and attacks you then shrouds then attacks you. She takes a tower shot which she heals most of it back by q'ing you then ults to stun and ults ignite to kill. Who cares if it takes longer to kill you under turret if it is still easier to do so. And regarding your idea to constantly trade with her so her q healing is less meaningful I find to be a flawed argument. I just played against her a few times mid in ranked already once was as fizz. I started w of course because I knew she would q spam so at least if she came to auto me I could auto and w to get a decent trade. She would then proceed to heal it all back. Then once I was level three I would try and e a wave early so I could get a minion advantage. I would back off and wait for the cooldown which is where I would start to go in for harrass. I would w the low health minions and then use my q to dodge hers, I would w her, then I would e to dodge her little shuriken thing and then proceed to go back to farming. The funny thing is my combo on fizz is a much longer cooldown than her healing from q so once the wave either hit the tower or crashed with a new set of minions in the middle of my lane she would heal back most of my harrass and by this point I was either forced to back for Mana or I was low health from harrass from her as well. Why instead of complaining about how people want her laning nerfed you instead asked for better team fight potential. I mean, she can assassinate back lines yes, but she is easy to lockdown so I see where she could have a low winrate. All I'm saying is, their is a reason people feel she is oppressive to play against and just saying she has a low winrate doesn't address the problem here.

VolatileAkali1 votes

Most melee champions can't out harass or out trade her. That's the unfortunate truth of old AND new Akali, play any ranged champions and harass her. She will neither heal it all up or try to kill you if you are more healthier.

Oleandervine8 votes

The reason Akali is in a shit state is because of Riot's classic balancing game they ALWAYS play and seem to be too ignorant to get out of the habit of.

Players: We have a specific problem with a champion's specific skill we'd like addressed.

Riot: Let's nerf the items they build!

Players: No, that won't work. We have a specific problem with a specific skill. Not items.

Riot: We'll nerf their base stats then!!

Players: Now you're fucking with us. It's a specific skill with a problem. Please fix it.

Riot: We'll nerf everything in the kit BUT that skill. That skill is unique and defines the champion.

Players: Fuck off Riot, are you even listening?!

6 months later:

Riot: After the season ended, we realized that there was a specific problem with a champion's specific skill that's been causing a problem. We are deleting that problem right as we speak. BALANCE!!!

Players: Finally. But now since you've nerfed every aspect of them, they're complete garbage now.

It's like every fucking time. Riot will ignore people, nerf everything AROUND the problem until they're forced to deal with the problem directly. Then by that point, the champion is a vegetable and Riot takes forever and a decade to get them back to a playable state. See: Azir Kalista

And bonus material, it seems to orbit around CertainlyT's creations.

The Highest Noon5 votes

Like I've always said, it's the New Champ Circle:

  1. Something is reworked/released
  2. People ban it because they don't understand it
  3. When it's not banned, people won't know what to do because they've always played with it banned
  4. They repeatedly lose to it because they don't know what to do
  5. Repeat from step 2

"It's broken" no, people are just inexperienced. Big difference.

sixths9 votes

So if I get experienced enough, I will know how to play against her ability to damage me under my tower without repercussions? ... No. Damage isn't the issue. No matter how bad she is the mechanic is not fun to play against because it "breaks" a core game mechanic (increased safety under tower), AKA "it's broken".

MysticFlameHaze3 votes

They need to nerf her passive base damage, remove the heal from Q and put it back on the passive for a cooldown, so that if she wants to heal she should poke and follow up on it for a fair trade, makes it possible to deal with her not shrugging off all your poke during laning phase. I don't hate akali and have always played her enough, the shroud is not a problem.

Psyrix2 votes

Honeslty? I’d be fine with her Obscure under turret as long as she deals slightly less damage under it, or it functioned like Azir’s soldiers... even without those changes it’s rare that she’ll do much of anything under turret that can’t be fixed by u backing off abit further. Maybe have a small change that allowed u to spot her with wards when she’s under turret (the after image effect) The ult I wish was different... in that it didn’t have that micro stun and had a shorter cast window... like keep the 2.5 lockout time, but decrease the maximum cast time to like 5 secs. and that the passive did slightly less damage.

ApollyonBainer2 votes

I mean I've played as akali and I've played against it. Sure there are stronger champions than her there are some that are weaker too. I dont like playing against her new kit. I really just dont. I've tried to understand it and learn how to properly play against it. But it is so frustrating.

Who would you suggest I play into akali that can poke her

chipndip14 votes

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I mean I've played as akali and I've played against it. Sure there are stronger champions than her there are some that are weaker too. I dont like playing against her new kit. I really just dont. I've tried to understand it and learn how to properly play against it. But it is so frustrating.

Who would you suggest I play into akali that can poke her

Every mage in the game.

VolatileAkali1 votes

Old Akali, abuses melee match ups hard with insane burst, healing and mobility with the cost of not roaming and getting snowballed as much as mid lane Akali

Riot: LET'S FIX HER AND MAKE HER AN ACTUALLY HIT AND RUN MID LANE ASSASSIN!

New Akali: Abuses melee match ups harder with less burst, less damage, less healing, but more unrestricted mobility. The cost is the same.

IP Masquerena1 votes

I like Ahri into her. If she E's me, it's a free kill for me, as she can't stop the dash once casted, so she'll eat a Charm, Foxfire and Orb, along with Ignite she'll die, as she's made of paper.

My poke is much more potent than her's due to my range advantage and I also have healing.

ApollyonBainer3 votes

Fair. Its been a while though. How about top lane? My Aatrox isnt good. Ive been thinking tank ad blitzcrank. I want to give it a shot

bluefire mark 21 votes

I hardly even see Aatrox played. And when i do i hardly see him carrying, and rito is STILL nerfing him. And from what it seems fhey might nerf him again after this. He's already balanced.. "his q damage is too high." Just walk out of the way? His first is thin, his second is short and in front of him and his third is just directly in front of him. I've dodged an aatrox entirely by walking in circles around him. He doesn't need nerfs still.

ApollyonBainer1 votes

When he does hit you with everything though its ouch city. Remember what heppened to old aatrox when they left him as garbage for a while. He is headed back to that same spot which is really sad

bluefire mark 21 votes

Yeah, and they reworked him just as he was coming back into the light and being played. And the rework was so different, it's hard to even call him aatrox. It was more like a new champion then Aatrox.

ApollyonBainer1 votes

Yeah. Remember the bork rageblade pd aatrox. lord almighty

Baconmaster1162 votes

Nah... do ap/tank/or attack speed nautilus. Its easier than blitz top with a similar kit.

Baconmaster1161 votes

Lol i remember how old akali was the mirror match to ahri. 3 dashes empowered attacks. General annoyance for zed mains

IP Masquerena2 votes

I loved that match-up. It was always the "one who fucks up first loses"

Quite the skill match-up.

top lane dead2 votes

silver player btw

Müscles1 votes

You are correct. But as you can see you aren't going to get the upvotes required for riot to see this and do something about it.

MY JGL HAS 0 IQ1 votes

Akali is barely playable.

Stopped read here, thanks.

(Better destroy Irelia at 9.3)

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