Jarvan's Combat Pattern needs to be more interesting.

Jaygo41·Mar 27, 2017·1 votes·349 views

Jarvan's combat pattern is very linear and not all that interesting. Other than his EQ and maybe a tiamat, his combat pattern is lacking and is becoming dated. He has rather lengthy cooldowns and high mana costs, prohibiting him from utilizing his flag a number of times. You use your spells and get a feeling of "Now what?" after you're in.

Most other fighters have low cooldowns or some kind of spell that allows them to burst or change up their fighting pattern a bit. Vi has her E, Lee weaves his spells, Camille has her Q, Hecarim proc's his sheen with his Q, something.

Admittedly, I think Jarvan needs a VGU. His kit hasn't aged well. He used to be a competitive jungler even at the highest stage, but he's far from that now. He's used mostly as an assassin, designed to pop a squishy rather than create an engagement.

What would you add/take to his kit to make J4 a more interesting fighter?

2 Comments

TheSnackenMar 27, 20171 votes

Alright I've been playing J4 a lot recently, and here are my thoughts:

I don't think his combat pattern is Boring, really. He definitely favors short fights, and ideally uses each basic ability about twice per fight, in mostly identical ways. But maximizing it does require some serious concentration.

Is there room for improvement? Absolutely. I just don't see any new design space he can use. His standing kit is fluid, functional, and useful; not the most flashy or engaging, to be sure, but it has a place.

So what would I change? To be totally honest, I'd like to see this change:

E- Terms of Engagement Jarvan dashes forward, striking with his lance in an arc in front of him. If Jarvan passes his standard, he will leap back to it after that strike.

R- Demacian Battlemaster Jarvan plants a battle standard in the ground, dealing (N) physical damage in an area. If the standard lands on a champion, they are stunned for (X) seconds.

Allied champions near the standard gain Attack Speed and armor.

Jarvan may pick up the standard after 10 seconds, reducing the cooldown by (Y)%

Allow me to explain: I'd like Jarvan's kit to center around his standard, and area-specific mobility. Right now, with his standard as a basic ability, that kind of utility and power must be relegated to his Ultimate. By removing cataclysm, more options are available. He can maintain a zone of strength and expertise, a "declare a battlefield" scenario. I have a lot of other minor points, strengths and weaknesses, but this is my overview.

BLACK REALM GODMar 27, 20171 votes

if i were to make jarvan i would first change his weird interactions with the game that make him look like he's stretch armstrong.

then i would combine his R and his E and give him an animation where he slams the flag down and it causes the ground to erupt around him in a slighly larger than current area.

lances are literally never used without a mount because they're not great for throwing and they're too large for repetitive thrusting and so the fact that jarvan doesnt have a mount makes me a bit sad - perhaps it's supposed to be a pike or a javelin?

jarvan needs a horse.

he'd ride atop a mighty stead into battle as a tank/fighter.

he'd wield a mighty lance and a shield which he'd use the shield (regular) and the horses body (criticals) for basic attacking and on his back he'd have a huge banner for demacia.

his passive would be that his banner grants an aura called morale.

he'd use one ability to thrust his lance.

another ability would allow his horse to leap to a location like sejauni's boar but more graceful and with a different effect.

he'd have an ability that raises his shield and gets a movement speed boost.

his R would throw down his giant banner at his horses side and cause the earth to shatter in a ring around him granting buffs and debuffs all around the arena. "he'd shout THIS LAND IS NOW OWNED BY DEMACIA! or something...

besides that demacia needs a mounted unit. noxus, shadow isle, freljord, etc. have mounted units.

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