Can we talk about Kha'zix's overtuned 'isolated' passive and his stealth?

JuiceBoxP··3 votes·1,282 views

The range you need to keep from your allies is just SHORT to say the least. You need to be like thresh AA range to not be isolated.

because of this range getting isolated is just really easy during team fights and kha'zix DESTROYS isolated targets. If you are isolated you are dead with no outplay to it besides sticking REALLY close to your teammates and hope that somebody has a cc that is up.

Me and another teammate were literally together under the turret, we were at the two far ends of it. khazix jumped on my teammate and basically instagibbed him and jumped out. What could that person had done? nothing. no outplay.

To add insult over injury, you cannot see him coming. You set up vision, you put down control ward in the tribush on bot lane, you got vision in a 3000 unit radius, you push that tower, you get jumped, khazix gets a double kill from bot lane.

An adc cannot farm just outside of his second tier tower alone because even if he wards all the bushes around him he won't be able to see khazix coming and flee.

Khazix has true stealth, meaning he cannot be revealed with control wards. this is due to his stealth being relatively short, but if he times it correctly, when he enters bushes he can easily not get revealed and totally surprise you.

This is just ridiculous. you do everything you can, you set up 6 wards around bot lane and you get instagibbed out of the blue. there is no outplay to this champion.

Here is a short video. i consider this an "outplay".... but there is no outplay to this amount of damage. swap khazix out with any other champion and there is literally no way for him to come out of this with this idiotically superior ease. i tried to ult him alone so i could escape him and let jhin finish him off https://youtu.be/aj-2zco0mnc

He killed me faster than the time it took my ult to land. At this point he was so fed that he could oneshot even if you weren't isolated.

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The Ecdysiast3 votes

What could have been done? You could actually learn how Kha's passive works and stand closer accordingly. You could provide relevant information like who you were in this situation: "Me and another teammate were literally together under the turret, we were at the two far ends of it." Were you sup and ADC? Did your "support" pick a damage champion instead of a support? Then you get punished by assassins as should happen when a support decides they'll just act like they got mid.

In the clip, as Bard, you could've started your ultimate while he was still stunned instead of throwing an auto attack and giving him time to attack before it.

While he didn't outplay you, you did make mistakes. And that's how many assassins work. They don't outplay opponents, they have to rely on the opponent making mistakes.

JuiceBoxP1 votes

You could provide relevant information like who you were in this situation: "Me and another teammate were literally together under the turret, we were at the two far ends of it."

It was me(bard) and yasuo. yasuo got oneshotted.

In the clip, as Bard, you could've started your ultimate while he was still stunned instead of throwing an auto attack and giving him time to attack before it.

just because i didn't not do the MOST optimal thing doesn't mean that he should kill me within 0.2 seconds. NO ASSASSIN can do that. He was in a really unfavorable situation but his kit is so overloaded that he can pretty much do anything.

Did your "support" pick a damage champion instead of a support? Then you get punished by assassins as should happen when a support decides they'll just act like they got mid.

i was the support in that game, in case you didn't notice i was playing with bard. So your argument is pretty much invalid.

While he didn't outplay you, you did make mistakes.

This guy did A HUGE mistake and wasn't even punished for it at all while i did a really tiny one, in the heat of the moment it was really hard to time it.

You basically saying unless i play FLAWLESSLY and set up multiple cc chains on khazix i will get killed. okay, that's a healthy way to make a champion.

What could have been done? You could actually learn how Kha's passive works and stand closer accordingly.

i know exactly what his passive do. i even stated it in my post. so unless i hug my teammates during teamfights i will be isolated. The whole point of TEAM FIGHT is that you are NOT ISOLATED.

They don't outplay opponents

Not true. only khazix doesn't have to outplay his opponents because he is overloaded with 150% more damage needed to kill anyone in the game

Pals Before Gals1 votes

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It was me(bard) and yasuo. yasuo got oneshotted.

just because i didn't not do the MOST optimal thing doesn't mean that he should kill me within 0.2 seconds. NO ASSASSIN can do that. He was in a really unfavorable situation but his kit is so overloaded that he can pretty much do anything.

i was the support in that game, in case you didn't notice i was playing with bard. So your argument is pretty much invalid.

This guy did A HUGE mistake and wasn't even punished for it at all while i did a really tiny one, in the heat of the moment it was really hard to time it.

You basically saying unless i play FLAWLESSLY and set up multiple cc chains on khazix i will get killed. okay, that's a healthy way to make a champion.

i know exactly what his passive do. i even stated it in my post. so unless i hug my teammates during teamfights i will be isolated. The whole point of TEAM FIGHT is that you are NOT ISOLATED.

Not true. only khazix doesn't have to outplay his opponents because he is overloaded with 150% more damage needed to kill anyone in the game

Kha has no CC. Nothing prevents you from just walking away. If you're laning properly, you should be able to stand near enough to your minions to negate his burst, and often times just kill him.

JuiceBoxP2 votes

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Kha has no CC. Nothing prevents you from just walking away.

Nothing prevents it, not even his leap that is about 2 flashes long and the fact that the moment he poppes on your screen you are already dead. Anditem 3142 You don't outrun khazix.

ValyrianBlade1 votes

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Kha has no CC. Nothing prevents you from just walking away. If you're laning properly, you should be able to stand near enough to your minions to negate his burst, and often times just kill him.

I don't know if it's a bug, but it often feels like Kha is able to proc duskblade's slow with his W. I'll be away from him fine and get tagged with his W and all of a sudden I'm barely moving...

Pals Before Gals1 votes

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I don't know if it's a bug, but it often feels like Kha is able to proc duskblade's slow with his W. I'll be away from him fine and get tagged with his W and all of a sudden I'm barely moving...

maybe because kha is a literal bug

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