It's fucking annoying. Because if they play like dogshit they'll still be good eventually because their damage, mobility, and for some unknown reason their CC is bonkers. It's been like this since season god damn four and it's getting old.
Frosted Tips7 votes1 assassin a game is much better than 4-6 tanks a game. Also 1 assassin a game is fine now if we start seeing 2 per team that is when complaining has validation.
The thigh guy5 votes[{quoted}](name=Frosted Tips,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-03-26T18:40:58.978+0000)
1 assassin a game is much better than 4-6 tanks a game. Also 1 assassin a game is fine now if we start seeing 2 per team that is when complaining has validation.
Here’s the difference with that. Tanks have counterplay. They can be kited, shredded down, and peeled off.
What’s the counter to a fed tank? Shred him.
What’s the counter to a even assassin? Bite the pillow.
Frosted Tips5 votesAssassins suck when the team is grouped as 5. Plus many assassins get countered by Zhonya's. Now marksman can go Phantom Dancer GA and have an ok time against assassins.
The thigh guy3 votes[{quoted}](name=Frosted Tips,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-03-26T19:01:45.134+0000)
Assassins suck when the team is grouped as 5. Plus many assassins get countered by Zhonya's. Now marksman can go Phantom Dancer GA and have an ok time against assassins.
Zhonya is not the be all end all counter to assassins the assassin players want you to think it is. It counter zed sometimes and fizz sometimes, and everyone else it just ensures they land their full combo on you as soon as it ends.
Same deal for guardian angel.
As for phantom dancer, the amount of damage most of these assassins put out is way more than overkill on any arc building this item. Enough so that they blow through the shield the same way Taco Bell blows through your ass.
Frosted Tips5 votesZhonya is not the be all end all counter to assassins
Correct, but it sure helps a bunch.
everyone else it just ensures they land their full combo on you as soon as it ends.
If you are so far out of position that using Zhonya's before the Assassin atleast wastes a portion of their combo then you deserve to die. Zhonya's doesn't save you from being a worse player than your opponent.
Also just to add a few more items that counter assassins 
The thigh guy3 votes[{quoted}](name=Frosted Tips,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-26T20:59:30.900+0000)
Correct, but it sure helps a bunch.
If you are so far out of position that using Zhonya's before the Assassin atleast wastes a portion of their combo then you deserve to die. Zhonya's doesn't save you from being a worse player than your opponent.
Also just to add a few more items that counter assassins
Banshees does not counter most assassins. Deaths dance actually makes them deal more damage due to true damage conversion, maw is a joke of a item and falls to the same problem as phantom dancer. Steriks is melee only and only really works for bruisers. So I guess you got 1/4 and it only works on one class that has no issues with assassins as is.
Frosted Tips5 votesSorry you hate assassins since you probably try to 1v1 them when that is what they are good at. Every item I mentioned help against assassins. You are just to stubborn and honestly probably too bad at the game to take advantage of all of the super simple ways to counter assassins. Good luck trying to get better without taking information that is meant to help you.
The thigh guy3 votes[{quoted}](name=Frosted Tips,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-26T21:47:54.865+0000)
Sorry you hate assassins since you probably try to 1v1 them when that is what they are good at. Every item I mentioned help against assassins. You are just to stubborn and honestly probably too bad at the game to take advantage of all of the super simple ways to counter assassins. Good luck trying to get better without taking information that is meant to help you.
Oh really? I’ll use talon as my example. And hm there is one item that counters him atm for an Adc and it’s phantom dancer. So we’ll say “Insert adc here” went out of his way to rush a phantom dancer just for talon (even though this is horrible)
So because the Adc is at one item talon should be at roughly one item and we’ll say it’s the classic duskblade.
And we’ll say they are both level 6 (even though talon would be higher as a mid laner)
So. Talons full combo including duskblade procs does about 1450ish damage including ignite and 2 duskblade procs.
Well use Vayne as the target cause highest pick rate.
1249 health including the phantom dancer shield that she had to give up a huge chunk of her power to get.
So even when building sub optimanlly to specifically deal with talon, she still gets 100/0 in a single rotation. So no. The defensive options do not work.
Frosted Tips3 votesSo what about her armor? Even with lethality she would still have effective armor. Also why is Vayne 1v1 with a Talon and in range to allow him to get a perfect combo off. Did she heal or use Barrier?
You can say all of these numbers, but forgetting other stats and also creating a vacuum situation which only would happen if Vayne misplayed by being alone and far too pushed.
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Frosted Tips,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=000400000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-26T22:16:19.167+0000)
So what about her armor? Even with lethality she would still have effective armor. Also why is Vayne 1v1 with a Talon and in range to allow him to get a perfect combo off. Did she heal or use Barrier?
You can say all of these numbers, but forgetting other stats and also creating a vacuum situation which only would happen if Vayne misplayed by being alone and far too pushed.
Funny. I think the fact that I have you every benefit more than out weighs the 11 armor Vayne has left after lethality is applied.
And again. Existing near talon is a mistake so that hardly matters. Mobility is a thing. A very very very important thing you seem to be ignoring. And fine. Let’s throw a level 6 heal in there. Talon is still doing more damage than her health bar due to ignite.
Numbers wise, even when building sub optimally to deal with an assassin, it still isn’t enough.
No Adc is building phantom dancer first item. So this is the best case scenario for survival and it’s still not enough.
Frosted Tips4 votesThis scenario still requires Talon to catch Vayne alone. She is out of position if that happens.
Also she would have 19 armor after sudden impact and Duskblade. Idk where you got 11 armor.
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Frosted Tips,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=00040000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-26T22:52:09.006+0000)
This scenario still requires Talon to catch Vayne alone. She is out of position if that happens.
Also she would have 19 armor after sudden impact and Duskblade. Idk where you got 11 armor.
So what you are saying is that “just 2v1 them” or adequate counterplay? :/ so all you had to do to beat 88% winrate kassadin was 5v1 him and he shouldn’t have been nerfed because you can just 5v1 him?
Frosted Tips4 votesMarksman are team reliant champions that thrive in team play and a pretty weak alone while Assassins struggle in team play, but are very strong in a 1v1. So if you are playing a marksman then yes you need to group to deal with assassins. If assassins can't 1v1 markman then assassins are useless.
Kassadin is a different monster in himself, but he is super easy to get him behind and for him to turn on too late into the game. Sorry learning to play is so hard for you.
The thigh guy2 votes[{quoted}](name=Frosted Tips,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-26T23:19:24.192+0000)
Marksman are team reliant champions that thrive in team play and a pretty weak alone while Assassins struggle in team play, but are very strong in a 1v1. So if you are playing a marksman then yes you need to group to deal with assassins. If assassins can't 1v1 markman then assassins are useless.
Kassadin is a different monster in himself, but he is super easy to get him behind and for him to turn on too late into the game. Sorry learning to play is so hard for you.
Nice job gaslighting and avoiding the argument. I see you have no intentions of admitting that the anti assassin items do not work even when proven so I’m not going to bother.
And again way to ignore the actual kassadin argument.
Truli911 votes[{quoted}](name=Frosted Tips,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-26T21:47:54.865+0000)
Sorry you hate assassins since you probably try to 1v1 them when that is what they are good at. Every item I mentioned help against assassins. You are just to stubborn and honestly probably too bad at the game to take advantage of all of the super simple ways to counter assassins. Good luck trying to get better without taking information that is meant to help you.
Super simpler ways? GA and higher cd than any assassins ult. Its useless. So as an adc or mage i should build tank just to not die to a rengar and then be useless to my team? Why tf cant you admite that some assassins are broken. The concept was high risk high reward, but most assassins dont have risks when they have alot of mobility. Their main weaknesses are no longer a weakness. And dont give me the cc them crap. Rengar breaks cc, zed can dodge cc, kata the same. So cut the bs. Just because some people cant react to a 0.1 sec oneshot doesnt mean they are bad at this game.
Saianna3 votesPlus many assassins get countered by Zhonya's.
yeah, once every 90s. And even that is not always true.
Pika Fox1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-03-26T18:46:19.694+0000)
Here’s the difference with that. Tanks have counterplay. They can be kited, shredded down, and peeled off.
What’s the counter to a fed tank? Shred him.
What’s the counter to a even assassin? Bite the pillow.
The counter to an assassin is proper warding, coordination, rotation, and team play.
Assassins can only work if YOU fuck up.
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=000400000001,timestamp=2019-06-26T16:05:12.441+0000)
The counter to an assassin is proper warding, coordination, rotation, and team play.
Assassins can only work if YOU fuck up.
*Pika Fox1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=0004000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-26T17:38:20.746+0000)
- Warding? *laughs in
- Coordination? This is solo que. Let me remind you every team consists of, 2 chimps, an average joe, a rocket scientist and half a corn dog.
- Rotation? Yeah let me out rotate this talon and his 8374 dashes.
- Teamplay? See point 2.
A ward on the map suddenly disappeared, let me continue to be pushed out. Thats a good idea.
This is a team game. Deal with it and learn to play as a team with the chimps.
Dont need to "out rotate", proper callouts for the assassin and have jungler at appropriate areas to assist where needed and help keep up wards, as well as punish the assassin for leaving lane in the first place.
See point 2.
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=00040000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-26T17:42:03.182+0000)
A ward on the map suddenly disappeared, let me continue to be pushed out. Thats a good idea.
This is a team game. Deal with it and learn to play as a team with the chimps.
Dont need to "out rotate", proper callouts for the assassin and have jungler at appropriate areas to assist where needed and help keep up wards, as well as punish the assassin for leaving lane in the first place.
See point 2.
They don’t have to kill the ward. So unless you stare at exactly that ward at all times to see the 0.2 seconds it went dark?
No actual argument presented
So, shove the lane under after he already shoved the lane under and doesn’t care anymore? Mkay dude.
See point 2.
Pika Fox1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=000400000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-26T17:46:26.438+0000)
They don’t have to kill the ward. So unless you stare at exactly that ward at all times to see the 0.2 seconds it went dark?
No actual argument presented
So, shove the lane under after he already shoved the lane under and doesn’t care anymore? Mkay dude.
See point 2.
You should be watching the map literally every single second of the game, and know theyre mia already. If they choose to not kill the ward, they should still get nothing out of it if youre playing how you should, and then you still have a ward!
Its a team game is a valid point whether you like it or not.
They care. Denial of exp and gold puts them further behind, especially if you do your job right and they get nothing bot. No kills and a loss of gold and exp adds up quickly.
Youre really bad at this.
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=0004000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-26T17:51:58.705+0000)
You should be watching the map literally every single second of the game, and know theyre mia already. If they choose to not kill the ward, they should still get nothing out of it if youre playing how you should, and then you still have a ward!
Its a team game is a valid point whether you like it or not.
They care. Denial of exp and gold puts them further behind, especially if you do your job right and they get nothing bot. No kills and a loss of gold and exp adds up quickly.
Youre really bad at this.
The ward goes dark for under 1 second. Congrats. If you happen to have been staring at ONE ward on the map the entire game, you know he’s coming. Now what do you do? Go the the turret that does nothing?
4v1 is not counterplay.
No. They don’t. They aren’t losing anything. They shove the wave before they roam.
Nah. Seems like you’re the one who’s bad at this. XD
Pika Fox1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=00040000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-26T18:02:28.885+0000)
The ward goes dark for under 1 second. Congrats. If you happen to have been staring at ONE ward on the map the entire game, you know he’s coming. Now what do you do? Go the the turret that does nothing?
4v1 is not counterplay.
No. They don’t. They aren’t losing anything. They shove the wave before they roam.
Nah. Seems like you’re the one who’s bad at this. XD
Then i guess youll just keep losing to assassins, and fail to climb, because you refuse to learn even the simplest of counter measures to a class that is easy to deal with.
Rester6 votesI mean... you can probably blame lethality for part of that issue since dirk itself is a pretty big item spike, but then you can buy a cloth armor and it's k.
Saianna1 votesIt's all true and all, but having to deal with assassins every game and seeing them fail, yet still get a kill, or flee away is sooo annoying.
Rester1 votesIt's all true and all, but having to deal with assassins every game and seeing them fail, yet still get a kill, or flee away is sooo annoying.
The point of an assassin IS to get in, kill someone, and get out. Or to pick off a low HP Target and die for their team.
Saianna2 votesWell, that's the "new" definition I disagree with. Assassins shouldn't have get in & get out options (I mean both options simultaneously), cause that removes any risk from playing them actually trying to get a kill. You think why Zed's disliked? Cause if he fks up, he can just escape as if nothing happend. Assassins and mobile champs have this nasty bullshit safety switches built in so there's hardly a moment of them actually getting punished for their mistakes.
What's more assassins (tbh all mobile champions) don't even pay for their mobility, cause their damage is just as big as immobile champions. This is an issue this game has. It's not just about lethality (this also is problematic tbh).
Edit: Small clarification. old type assassins had the option to get in, but they just couldn't bail out when things gone to shit. They had to stick with it and either get a kill or die. Now Zed's all about if he wants to tryhard for another kill, or if he's fine with 1 kill per ultimate. Usually that's also the moment when he dies. They die when they think they are unkillable rambos. That's the only moment when you can actually catch and kill them.
I was kinda rambling about Zed, but that's really about every assassin nowadays. They are far overbuffed just to remove their "fails if behind" aspect, but there's NOTHING to slow their power when they are ahead.
Rester1 votesWell, that's the "new" definition I disagree with. Assassins shouldn't have get in & get out options (I mean both options simultaneously), cause that removes any risk from playing them actually trying to get a kill. You think why Zed's disliked? Cause if he fks up, he can just escape as if nothing happend. Assassins and mobile champs have this nasty bullshit safety switches built in so there's hardly a moment of them actually getting punished for their mistakes.
What's more assassins (tbh all mobile champions) don't even pay for their mobility, cause their damage is just as big as immobile champions. This is an issue this game has. It's not just about lethality (this also is problematic tbh).
Edit: Small clarification. old type assassins had the option to get in, but they just couldn't bail out when things gone to shit. They had to stick with it and either get a kill or die. Now Zed's all about if he wants to tryhard for another kill, or if he's fine with 1 kill per ultimate. Usually that's also the moment when he dies. They die when they think they are unkillable rambos. That's the only moment when you can actually catch and kill them.
I was kinda rambling about Zed, but that's really about every assassin nowadays. They are far overbuffed just to remove their "fails if behind" aspect, but there's NOTHING to slow their power when they are ahead.
I'm not saying I disagree, but that's just how I see all assassin kits so far. They have mobility to get in, pick off a target, get out or die.
Who Fed Ru3 votes... cc ?
The thigh guy6 votes[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-26T18:21:15.741+0000)
... cc ?
Lots of assassins got handed cc for no reason.
Leblanc root Rengar root Zed has a slow Talon has a slow Ekko has a stun and a slow Akali has a stun and a slow Diana gets a displacement and a slow Fizz has a knock up and a slow Pyke. I don’t need to say anything about.
This class just has so much shit tacked onto them it’s not even funny.
Red Mage FTS2 votesZed has a slow on e, fizz a slow and knockup on ult, kas has a silence... and the rest have the best CC, death.
Abibyama II3 votesI don't see assassins everygame
Ahri Baka2 votesWhile you are right but like the comment above me
I prefer this than having 4 Tanks and 1 carry
At least in assassins meta , they can 1 shoot you and you still have high possibility of killing them , or your team will kill then or fighters and bruisers will finish them off since they counter them ,, even Tanks
Meanwhile in Tanks meta you Literally can't do anything, Literally I don't miss the 4 tanks and 1 adc days
The thigh guy2 votes[{quoted}](name=Hikari Sakata,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-03-26T18:44:46.350+0000)
While you are right but like the comment above me
I prefer this than having 4 Tanks and 1 carry
At least in assassins meta , they can 1 shoot you and you still have high possibility of killing them , or your team will kill then or fighters and bruisers will finish them off since they counter them ,, even Tanks
Meanwhile in Tanks meta you Literally can't do anything, Literally I don't miss the 4 tanks and 1 adc days
The only thing I have to say to people who complained about the “tank meta” is. Why weren’t you playing kog maw, Vayne, brand, malzahaar, fiora, yi, tryndamere, Darius, Irelia, vel’koz, Insert 30 other anti tank champions here. And build items like black cleaver, last whisper, void staff, liandries.
Ahri Baka1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-03-26T18:48:27.926+0000)
The only thing I have to say to people who complained about the “tank meta” is. Why weren’t you playing kog maw, Vayne, brand, malzahaar, fiora, yi, tryndamere, Darius, Irelia, vel’koz, Insert 30 other anti tank champions here. And build items like black cleaver, last whisper, void staff, liandries.
Because people love to play their mains ? Besides Void isn't enough for most of mages
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Hikari Sakata,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2019-03-26T19:11:00.514+0000)
Because people love to play their mains ? Besides Void isn't enough for most of mages
Okay? And assassins make any immobile squishy unplayable. Sooooo I fail to see a difference here.
Also void staff is more than fine. Your tearing off 40% of mr. What more do you want?
Who Fed Ru1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-26T20:31:25.341+0000)
Okay? And assassins make any immobile squishy unplayable. Sooooo I fail to see a difference here.
Also void staff is more than fine. Your tearing off 40% of mr. What more do you want?
Ever heard of 
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The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=00050000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-26T20:40:50.071+0000)
Ever heard of
Zhonya counters one assassin. Maybe 2 if you count fizz as an assassin anymore. And again. It locks you in place and guarantees their combo hits you as soon as it ends.
But I’ll humor you. Let’s say it is the be all end all counter to assassins and when it’s up it makes them entirely irrelevant like every assassin main wants you to think.
It has a 2 minute cooldown. Significantly longer than most champions ultimate cooldowns. This is also putting the benefit into thinking all assassins are reliant on high cooldown ultimates for their kills. So this won’t work against most of them anyways.
Who Fed Ru1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=000500000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-26T20:44:39.068+0000)
Zhonya counters one assassin. Maybe 2 if you count fizz as an assassin anymore. And again. It locks you in place and guarantees their combo hits you as soon as it ends.
But I’ll humor you. Let’s say it is the be all end all counter to assassins and when it’s up it makes them entirely irrelevant like every assassin main wants you to think.
It has a 2 minute cooldown. Significantly longer than most champions ultimate cooldowns. This is also putting the benefit into thinking all assassins are reliant on high cooldown ultimates for their kills. So this won’t work against most of them anyways.
Then use it to actually make them waste their abilities? There is no Assassin that has 2.5 sec CD on their combo. Block their main damage with it, then you are gucci.
Apart from the fact that you should always be in a place where you have either backup from your team or a tower at least anyway. If you fight an Assassin 1v1 while pushed in a sidelane while your team is somewhere else far away from you then you did something wrong.
And the whole "An Assassin can oneshot you with 2 autoattacks" crap is BS when Zhonyas alone literally counters the Lethality of more than 2 Lethality items. Once you have just some armor they need their full combo, usually even more, to kill you if they aren't like completely in front.
And for the CD, I always wonder why it's so hard to just play safe while it's on CD. In early game, most Assassins still have Ult CDs of 90-120 seconds. Just play safe for those 30 seconds.
In late game you should be with your team anyway, and it's rare that 2 teamfights happen in less 2 minutes, so you'll have it up the next teamfight again. If you get catched in late game while your Zhonyas is on CD that's not because Assassins are OP, but because you mispositioned.
It's not making Assassins entirely irrelevant, but Zhonyas gives an Assassin far less opportunities to kill you, and if they kill you, it usually comes down to being out of position.
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=0005000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-26T20:58:34.574+0000)
Then use it to actually make them waste their abilities? There is no Assassin that has 2.5 sec CD on their combo. Block their main damage with it, then you are gucci.
Apart from the fact that you should always be in a place where you have either backup from your team or a tower at least anyway. If you fight an Assassin 1v1 while pushed in a sidelane while your team is somewhere else far away from you then you did something wrong.
And the whole "An Assassin can oneshot you with 2 autoattacks" crap is BS when Zhonyas alone literally counters the Lethality of more than 2 Lethality items. Once you have just some armor they need their full combo, usually even more, to kill you if they aren't like completely in front.
And for the CD, I always wonder why it's so hard to just play safe while it's on CD. In early game, most Assassins still have Ult CDs of 90-120 seconds. Just play safe for those 30 seconds.
In late game you should be with your team anyway, and it's rare that 2 teamfights happen in less 2 minutes, so you'll have it up the next teamfight again. If you get catched in late game while your Zhonyas is on CD that's not because Assassins are OP, but because you mispositioned.
It's not making Assassins entirely irrelevant, but Zhonyas gives an Assassin far less opportunities to kill you, and if they kill you, it usually comes down to being out of position.
Litteraly every you’ve said is “hope the assassin makes a mistake then”
Who Fed Ru1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=00050000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-26T21:42:30.834+0000)
Litteraly every you’ve said is “hope the assassin makes a mistake then”
No? That's not even close to what I have said. DId you even read it?
The Assassin relies on your mistakes the moment you have Zhonyas, not the other way around
Ahri Baka2 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-26T20:31:25.341+0000)
Okay? And assassins make any immobile squishy unplayable. Sooooo I fail to see a difference here.
Also void staff is more than fine. Your tearing off 40% of mr. What more do you want?
Having immobile squishy being unplayable while still having at least a slight of chance is much better than a meta with a class that only has 1 class to counter at least Assassins are only good against Mages and Marksmen , they still can be killed by other classes I'm in no way defending assassins , just saying Tanks are much worse
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Hikari Sakata,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=00050000000000000001,timestamp=2019-03-26T22:54:11.778+0000)
Having immobile squishy being unplayable while still having at least a slight of chance is much better than a meta with a class that only has 1 class to counter at least Assassins are only good against Mages and Marksmen , they still can be killed by other classes I'm in no way defending assassins , just saying Tanks are much worse
Tanks only really counter burst mages and assassins. So they still had dps mages, adc and bruisers to counter them.
Ahri Baka1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=000500000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-03-26T23:03:47.567+0000)
Tanks only really counter burst mages and assassins. So they still had dps mages, adc and bruisers to counter them.
Adc can't 1v1 most of tanks in most of cases especially in mid game only few ones can thought , like Vayne and Lucian
Bruisers get outscales by Tanks
DPS mages are surely not a bad choice but , if they actually start attacking the tank then the tank did their Job well , they sure can kill Tanks but not burst , it still takes like 10 seconds at least to melt them
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Hikari Sakata,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=0005000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-03-27T00:27:18.699+0000)
Adc can't 1v1 most of tanks in most of cases especially in mid game only few ones can thought , like Vayne and Lucian
Bruisers get outscales by Tanks
DPS mages are surely not a bad choice but , if they actually start attacking the tank then the tank did their Job well , they sure can kill Tanks but not burst , it still takes like 10 seconds at least to melt them
Any adc that builds a Bork will 1v1 a tank zero difficulty.
And bruiser strictly beat tanks. Black cleaver alone auto wins fights against tanks.
As for the dps mage. Yes. That’s their job, they aren’t suppose to burst a tank down, nothing should be bursting a tank down. That defeats the entire purpose of a tank.
Spicy Rice1 votesYou never played in the tank meta, did you?
A. I'm not playing vayne or kog because I suck at adc, and hate playing bot.
B. People were playing mages, but not because you could kill tanks. People played mages for wave clear, that's really it..
C. Melee Carries were borderline useless, due to how vulnerable they are to chain cc, and how strong tanks were. Why pick yi and get cc'ed for ever, while you can pick Maokai, get cc'ed for ever, and live while still doing a decent chunk of damage?
D. Pen is useless if you can't get in range to use it, hence why the only real damage champs being played were adcs (vayne and kog) and mages.
E. And even if you got pen, unless you were able to dps through the insane amount of effective hp armor/mr gave, along with cinderhulk and COTC, your champ was a troll pick.
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Spicy Rice,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=000500000001,timestamp=2019-03-26T20:55:22.993+0000)
You never played in the tank meta, did you?
A. I'm not playing vayne or kog because I suck at adc, and hate playing bot.
B. People were playing mages, but not because you could kill tanks. People played mages for wave clear, that's really it..
C. Melee Carries were borderline useless, due to how vulnerable they are to chain cc, and how strong tanks were. Why pick yi and get cc'ed for ever, while you can pick Maokai, get cc'ed for ever, and live while still doing a decent chunk of damage?
D. Pen is useless if you can't get in range to use it, hence why the only real damage champs being played were adcs (vayne and kog) and mages.
E. And even if you got pen, unless you were able to dps through the insane amount of effective hp armor/mr gave, along with cinderhulk and COTC, your champ was a troll pick.
No actually I did play during the tank meta. And the amount of people I crushed as Darius and fiora was stupid.
As for your first point. That’s your own fault then. I didn’t want to play only Lucien, miss fortune and Draven before the crit revert, but if I wanted to play adc and have even a chance of winning those were the only choices.
preternatural1 votesblue kayn and akali are the only assassins to be complaining about right now. hardly any of the others are a meaningful fixture aside from the individual players skill. eve maybe? lb?
The thigh guy1 votesblue kayn and akali are the only assassins to be complaining about right now. hardly any of the others are a meaningful fixture aside from the individual players skill. eve maybe? lb?
Blue kayn isn’t even that bad. He had a solid 13 minutes where he is by default, the weakest person on the map.
preternatural1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ceEpOFxE,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2019-06-26T17:39:02.678+0000)
Blue kayn isn’t even that bad. He had a solid 13 minutes where he is by default, the weakest person on the map.
blue kayn one shots your adc from across the map. they call him melee for it cause he has to walk there manually but really his range is a quarter of the map.
