I'm really enjoying watching ADCs right click to victory and not even pretend like they have to kite

94372148·Jan 27, 2018·51 votes·2,828 views

Like literally, they don't even have to move around anymore. Just melt anything that comes near them within .25 seconds while healing so much that they don't take damage. It's so enjoyable watching players quite literally stand without moving and auto attack fed assassins to death with no armor or anything. What a meta riot! At least Vayne had to act like she was playing the game and not just stand and auto like varus/kog/trist

64 Comments

HópeJan 27, 201823 votes

Not sure if you're talking about this game you had, https://i.imgur.com/o0GISgt.png

But you chose to go full damage with your only defensive item as ''ninja tabi'' 37 minutes into the game.

WimbledofyJan 28, 20183 votes

He specifically mentioned vayne not being one of the problems, so I'm about 90% sure he was not talking about that game. Plus he was playing jax, who can't even get autoattacked.

Infernal IronicJan 28, 20181 votes

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Not sure if you're talking about this game you had, https://i.imgur.com/o0GISgt.png

But you chose to go full damage with your only defensive item as ''ninja tabi'' 37 minutes into the game.

YES he should build tanky vs Velkoz true damage, Vayne %max hp true damage, Garen E Shred and 2 blacklwavers

GO AHEAD BUILD TANKY

Fking peasants

He should have gone more on the AP side and try to oneshot

Electro522Jan 27, 201822 votes

Being an ADC main, I have to highly disagree here.

Positioning is everything to us. If I'm in a bad spot, or don't have a reliable front line, I'm simply not going to fight. We have a massive target on our heads, and if we don't keep everyone at arms length, we will die very quickly to anything. If we do have a good position, and a reliable front line, then yes, we can sit there without moving. The only time we can just sit there without a good position or front line is when we are STUPIDLY fed.

We have to be aware of the entire battlefield in order to perform well. Say a teamfight breaks out, but that Zed is skirting on the sides, trying to bypass the front line to the back line. If the ADC isn't aware of him, he's dead. Anyone who plays an initiator doesn't have to worry about this, because they are the ones trying to cause the most chaos in the enemy team. So, while you go and dive into the enemy team, the ADC and likely other carry has to be sure that their divers/assassins don't get around you.

Yes, we can do what you said, but a GOOD ADC will not do this. They will be constantly moving, and constantly keeping an eye on everyone in the enemy team, and staying in that nice little pocket where they are safe.

KyovulpesJan 27, 20183 votes

^This. Literally one ADC has a get outta jail free card but most of the time a badly positioned ADC is usually a dead one. No matter how fed. [sg-ahri-2]

MohawkBirdJan 27, 20181 votes

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DisembarkJan 28, 20186 votes

It’s actually more important than in the past. Damage is so high that 1 stray CC = instadeath, especially in higher elos where people are coordinated enough to pounce on those opportunities.

That’s why knowing how to insta-QSS is so valuable, because even if you stay CC’d for .25 secs before you can react, it’s often enough to kill/chunk you.

Brain Errör 404Jan 27, 20181 votes

All that skill expression QUICKLY goes out the window when you have a janna/lulu/raka/sona/karma on your team. Let me tell you...

Sorry to say this, but your death has very little to do with how well YOU play, but how well your SUPPORT plays. You may think you "outplayed" the people trying to dive you, but as long as your baby sitter is next to you, it's almost impossible to do anything.

KarfussJan 28, 20182 votes

Out of position means away from your team.

Cannot tell you how many times I've made an ADC dead weight to their team because they somehow thought moving away from their team, to take raptors or wolves, was a good idea. Positioning is key.

NaymlissJan 27, 201817 votes

OK yeah I'm calling bullshit. If the assassins fed and the adc builds no resistances while standing still, they're dead(unless the adc is insanely more fed).

Heckin SupportJan 28, 20182 votes

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OK yeah I'm calling bullshit. If the assassins fed and the adc builds no resistances while standing still, they're dead(unless the adc is insanely more fed).

Key words "if the assassin is fed" If the assassin is doing average it can be hard to kill an ADC. Especially for certain assassins like LeBlanc.

JackMcSnipeyzJan 28, 20182 votes

No he's not, assassin can 1 shot any squishy after he gets duskblade 1v1. Le blanc is an exception because she was gutted, rest of the assassins win 1v1 easily

Infernal IronicJan 28, 20181 votes

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No he's not, assassin can 1 shot any squishy after he gets duskblade 1v1. Le blanc is an exception because she was gutted, rest of the assassins win 1v1 easily

Le blanc is an exception if we include bad le blanc players

Else she oneshots

saltranJan 27, 201813 votes

Thanks for the daily reminder that the Boards are not to be taken seriously.

KivolanJan 27, 201811 votes

KogMaw KogMaw KogMaw KogMaw KogMaw KogMaw KogMaw KogMaw KogMaw

"A good defense is a good offense"

Who needs to kite when you you're standing 710 units away and doing % health damage with ridiculous lifesteal?

no to toxicJan 27, 20183 votes

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with ridiculous lifesteal?

I get it you are pretending to be not very smart to get a response

KivolanJan 27, 20181 votes

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with ridiculous lifesteal?

I get it you are pretending to be not very smart to get a response

You don't even have to pretend. Items and runes totally aren't a thing.

no to toxicJan 27, 20181 votes

Still trying I suppose

OHminusJan 28, 20182 votes

Nonono. Not ridiculous lifesteal. It's Lulu item 3504 item 3190 item 3107

RaoulJan 27, 20189 votes

Thats not tzhe Meta, thats League of Legends since season 1.

Well, we had a time where ADCs actually were at the same level as anyone else. That sparked the ADC2017 meme, with people crying that ADCs are now trash...

Guess ADC players just lost the ability to actually play, since they always got everything handed to them on a silver plate...

AirKingNeoJan 27, 20189 votes

Well, we had a time where ADCs actually were at the same level as anyone else. That sparked the ADC2017 meme, with people crying that ADCs are now trash...

No, they were worse than everyone else. That's why a tank should take 20 auto attacks and not even drop below half at 2 items.

For as much as these boards love to circlejerk, you cannot deny ADCs sucked and Riot took it far with the buffs.

AleksaTeemoJan 28, 20181 votes

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Thats not tzhe Meta, thats League of Legends since season 1.

Well, we had a time where ADCs actually were at the same level as anyone else. That sparked the ADC2017 meme, with people crying that ADCs are now trash...

Guess ADC players just lost the ability to actually play, since they always got everything handed to them on a silver plate...

No it wasnt.Adc`s were completly balanced season 1-5

RaoulJan 28, 20182 votes

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/430/877/271.gif

Name one time when Ranged Marksmen were not a must have in the Meta?

And please dont answer "name one where support wasnt" because supports changed alot during the game, same for midlaners, junglers and toplaners. ADCs have always be ranged AD Marksmen, and we even had Metas with 2-3 raned AD Marksmen in the game.

Whenever any other role became as important for the game as Raned AD Marksmen were, they got nerfed super hard!

No role other than ranged AD marksmen have been a must have since a meta formed in the game. Not one!

AleksaTeemoJan 28, 20181 votes

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http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/430/877/271.gif

Name one time when Ranged Marksmen were not a must have in the Meta?

And please dont answer "name one where support wasnt" because supports changed alot during the game, same for midlaners, junglers and toplaners. ADCs have always be ranged AD Marksmen, and we even had Metas with 2-3 raned AD Marksmen in the game.

Whenever any other role became as important for the game as Raned AD Marksmen were, they got nerfed super hard!

No role other than ranged AD marksmen have been a must have since a meta formed in the game. Not one!

mandatory =/ meta or unbalanced.

RaoulJan 29, 20181 votes

If some character always has to be in the team for the team to be viable, that is EXACTLY what Meta is.

And the fect that there was never a replacement option (Other than ziggs adc for a short time, guess he got nerfed, and even it was only a role swap since you got the ADC mid) also shows the role is inherently broken.

No other role always had the same type of character played, no other tpye of character has been mandatory for every singel season and was so important for the outcome of the game for the same amount of time.

Like it or not, ADCs in LoL ARE broken.

AleksaTeemoJan 29, 20181 votes

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If some character always has to be in the team for the team to be viable, that is EXACTLY what Meta is.

And the fect that there was never a replacement option (Other than ziggs adc for a short time, guess he got nerfed, and even it was only a role swap since you got the ADC mid) also shows the role is inherently broken.

No other role always had the same type of character played, no other tpye of character has been mandatory for every singel season and was so important for the outcome of the game for the same amount of time.

Like it or not, ADCs in LoL ARE broken.

I dont like repeating myself.Mandatory is not the same as broken.

RaoulJan 29, 20181 votes

Ok, then explain to me why no other class has ever been a viable pick for that role, while every other role had variety.

And before you say ranged DPS is always madatory, I want to remind you that LoL is THE ONLY MOBA where ranged DPS is the only option for a viable AD-carry.

AleksaTeemoJan 30, 20181 votes

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Ok, then explain to me why no other class has ever been a viable pick for that role, while every other role had variety.

And before you say ranged DPS is always madatory, I want to remind you that LoL is THE ONLY MOBA where ranged DPS is the only option for a viable AD-carry.

Please learn what mandatory is before posting.

Daddy AntsJan 27, 20188 votes

Tristana is over loaded safety wise. Kog is just pure bullshit.

Varus is outscaled by most hyper carries Jinx Tristana Twitch Vayne KogMaw outscale Varus.

Luckily I rarely see Kog'Maw in my games and the times I do I just dodge, especially if he has a Lulu .

Until Kog'Maw becomes pick or ban in my elo I will be perm banning Tristana.

SHANK LUX MAINSJan 28, 20187 votes

Let me translate for people with a brain "I lost my last game to a super fed adc and the class must be broken bc a champ 6k gold ahead of me didn't have to kite to kill me". Even if there was an issue with adc, it'd never get fixed bc people just exaggerate everything. No adc don't 2 shot on 3 items, no they cant face tank anything, hell Leona and ali can 1v1 most adc's until they get 3 items, and no rightclicking isn't any harder than hitting skillshots. People act like mage abilities are at all hard to hit. Like if you miss an ori ult its bc ur bad not because its hard to hit.

T4underboltJan 28, 20182 votes

Yes ADC do that.Vayne 3 shots you with IE,Shiv. Varus 3 to 5 shots and one ability with guisino only. Tristan's is the strongest ADC for a long time. If ADCs could face tank.anything then I would lost my last hope for this game. Wtf is that dumb attempt of argument.

SHANK LUX MAINSJan 28, 20184 votes

No the don't do that. They cant even do close to that idk why you people are so delusional.

T4underboltJan 28, 20181 votes

Last time I checked I had my eyes completely healthy and I saw it on my own eyes and I was also a victim of such DMG many times, but what a silver player who mains ADC can know about it. The only delusional here is you. Just because you can't use overpowered class doesn't mean it's weak.

JackMcSnipeyzJan 28, 20187 votes

Can i see the video? Sounds like you have encountered that scenerio a lot so im sure you could share a couple of adc insta wiping 5 players in .25 seconds while not moving and healing all damage thrown at them.

Oh wait, it's just another scape goat to why you lost game, carry on.

GelmousJan 27, 20186 votes

when someone is fed they tend to be much stronger, shocking i know

FOR JUSTICEJan 27, 20185 votes

if they out burst an assassin, the assasins the problem tbh.

enjoy the free upvotes youre gonna get anyway tho XD

94372148Jan 27, 201814 votes

That literally doesn't make sense.

So you're saying if an ADC outbursts an assassin it's because the assassin is the problem? Is the assassin the problem because they're underpowered?

FOR JUSTICEJan 27, 20183 votes

underpowered could be a cause yes, but in no way am I saying they're underpowered now, take khazix or akali for example. I just mean if an assassin cant reliably get close enough to kill the ADC, then that was the mistake of the player, because assassins are designed to kill an ADC (as well as other squishy targets).

Diamond2KappaJan 27, 20187 votes

Assassins were designed to kill the adc, now they are designed so that the adc can kill them/the support can peel them off lel

94372148Jan 27, 20187 votes

Trying to outburst a late game ADC as an assassin right now is an exercise in futility. May as well just buy mobility boots and run it down mid if they get three items.

AzadetheJan 27, 20183 votes

Akali does it fine. Katarina does it fine. Xin Zhao does it fine.

The only assassins who might fall off are a Zed prone to GA preventing a kill or dying to support cc.

Somebody Love MeJan 27, 20186 votes

Late game Akali and Kat do not do fine trust me.

In the time it takes the dagger to fall, an ADC can lifesteal any previous damage, or just be out of range, and god forbid they got a PD. The ADC has to be CCed for a Kat to kill them late game.

Akali falls off even harder because unlike Kat, she can't teamfight. She split pushes, or kamikaze's into the back line praying for a kill. For her, its a 50-50 chance of bursting the ADC before she gets bursted. She doesn't have a duskblade to help her out. Without blinks, she's much easier to peel than a Kat.

Xin isn't an assassin, and he builds much more tanky.

Zed at least has a duskblade, but he suffers from the same problems Kat does. Delays.

AzadetheJan 27, 20183 votes

You're Gold
Maybe you don't know this but Katarina can animation cut daggers, kind of like how Riven can multi cast. She can jump to daggers almost instantaneously on a jump, and you do know that Kat's ult applies grievous wounds, right?
Xin is literally categorized as : Fighter/Assassin.
Zed can also animation/skill cut. Which anyone greater than Gold does. The only thing Zed can't do is shorten the duration of his ult's tick.

Some other late game assassins that 1 hit Adcs:

Elise Evelynn Fizz Kayn Shaco (I can kill a post 40 minute adc with Evelynn in 1 E + 1 hit of Q without charming them).

Somebody Love MeJan 28, 20181 votes

Wasn't always gold, but sure rank means everything. And I otp Kat on several accounts, so I know what she can do. Even if Kat can jump to daggers before they fall, she wont get the proc damage, and shunpo auto doesn't do spectacular damage on its own. In fact, most of Kat's damage comes from her passive, which needs the daggers on the ground.

Since I know how to play as Kat and against her, I know that you can easily tell where thee daggers are gonna land and how to avoid them. Grievous wounds or not, there's still a range, and she's still stoppable. Kat's actually at her weakest when she's ulting, since she's stationary. A late game ADC can play around her, and this isn't even considering the support and extra peel. Kat is a champ that follows up on initiation late game, so if she tries to go in first, or 1v1 a prepared ADC late game, she's fucked.

Zed is like Kat. Any ADC who knows how Zed works can play around where he lands after he ults. His basic combo and duskblade is actually scarier than his ult is late game.

Eve is a scaling assassin, so she's actally scary late, but you know who else is? An ADC. Eve needs to lane E>the skillshot of Q for the extra damage>then Q>electrocute to brust an ADC, but she too can be played around, and I also don't know how she is after the nerfs and loss of frostfang, since I haven't really touched her this patch.

We weren't even talking about all these assassins anyway. I was strictly speaking for Akali, Zed, and Kat, which are assassins I play as regularly, and regularly play against as an ADC.

BlåbæretJan 28, 20182 votes

Kat has delays? LMao, in what world bro?

Somebody Love MeJan 28, 20181 votes

The daggers take time to fall????

zaire90Jan 28, 20182 votes

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Akali does it fine. Katarina does it fine. Xin Zhao does it fine.

The only assassins who might fall off are a Zed prone to GA preventing a kill or dying to support cc.

honestly most of the time my kills on a adc as kat is the adc not standing away from my daggers its like noone knows to step away fromt he dagger when I w and keep walking but the few times they do stay away i cant do anything to them