Why is nobody talking about Warmog's?

TotalJerk·Oct 27, 2017·3 votes·502 views

Seriously. I can't be the only noticing that basically every tank at Worlds is rushing this item second or third and having infinite sustain. The fact that and aren't popular is exacerbating the problem as tanks are going unpunished for stacking health early. This item effectively makes it so that there is no reason to even hit a tank unless you plan on fully committing to it until they die.

The best part is the random CDR it had tacked on a few patches back in exchange for 50 health shaved off.

19 Comments

Critmaster GarenOct 27, 20179 votes

tanks are buying a health item? holy shit, someone call the cops.

if you want to talk about tanks buying warmogs, lets start talking about adc buying item 3086 items and mages buying item 3165

Champion SkinOct 27, 20171 votes

Doesn't help that item 3193 is basically the best item in the game for durability but you really need some HP to go with it which is where item 3083 comes in

Critmaster GarenOct 27, 20171 votes

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Doesn't help that is basically the best item in the game for durability but you really need some HP to go with it which is where comes in

sooo. your point being? are tanks supposed to be 2000 health bags like carries? defense is almost all of their power budget.

TotalJerkOct 28, 20171 votes

The problem isn't the health, the problem is the passive. combined with the fact that the crit/stoneplate meta is creating a climate where there is no downside to rushing warmog's.

Hexs FortuneOct 28, 20171 votes

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The problem isn't the health, the problem is the passive. combined with the fact that the crit/stoneplate meta is creating a climate where there is no downside to rushing warmog's.

Why should there be a downside to rushing warmogs? [sg-lux-2]

ErockandrollOct 28, 20171 votes

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Why should there be a downside to rushing warmogs? [sg-lux-2]

In principle, it's designed to fill a niche, (Give tanks some out of combat sustain) And the ideal trade off would be better stats that would have helped you in combat.

There's only 3 ways this could be OP.

A) If the stats are so good that it's become a standard pick up, instead of just for it's niche. And while 800 Health doesn't sound defensive enough, you also need to consider that in conjunction with Cinderhulk. (That adds up)

B) That the items niche is dictating the meta. And granted, I haven't seen many poke comps as of late, though I would tend to lean on the first possibility though.

C) The niche some how nullifies an intended weakness. This could be Champ specific, (HP battery Raka) or apply to an entire game mode. (ARAM)

As for the question about rushing it, just remember that a minimum HP is required to actually use it's core ability. At best, I would make it a second item tops, but I couldn't justify building it alone. And again, the fact that the sustain only happens out side of combat means a tank can be melted, if hit repeatedly. If you wanted IN Combat sustain, I'd go Knights vow. Piggy back off of the ADC's DPS.

BeatzBoyFTWOct 28, 20171 votes

Rushing Warmogs as 2nd or 3rd item without building any Armor or MR items is still bad. Sejuani's just an exception due to her passive.

Timethief49Oct 27, 20172 votes

item 3151 is acutally pretty popular though...

Darkdemon653Oct 27, 20172 votes

I'd assume no one cares about it because it's a weak item.

Titanium70Oct 27, 20172 votes

I guess because Warmogs is heavy situational Item and is just bad in terms of combat stats.

It's clear tradeoff and tradeoffs are good. just like the relic ADCs or simple warding.

TotalJerkOct 28, 20171 votes

It's situational, but every single tank at worlds is buying it.

Titanium70Oct 28, 20171 votes

They buy it because "better safe than sorry" is the religion, law and creed of worlds.

And Warmogs is is simply the best choice for that. Since you only want to pick the fights you win where combat stats are not as importnat as in the traditional SoloQ fights where you pick every fight. There you need as much combat stats as you can get.

Colgate GatorOct 27, 20172 votes

The tradeoff is that if you get HP without resistances, it will melt like butter.

TotalJerkOct 28, 20171 votes

In the early game it doesn't. The item can be rushed and resistances can be bought later. On top of that the fact that items like Stoneplate and Locket are meta means that you don't have to worry about investing too much into health.