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Let's face it, Essence Reaver needs to be changed. It never caught on.

ABlueQuaker··39 votes·2,695 views

The Bloodthirster item 3072 80 AD 20% Lifesteal Passive: Shield Function: Serves as a sustained damage item for Basic Attack-centric AD Carries (generally Infinity Edge users).

Current Essence Reaver item 3508 80 AD 10% Lifesteal 10% CDR Passive: Mana Return Function: Serves as a sustained damage item for Ability-centric AD Carries (generally Muramana users).

My issue with Essence Reaver is that it doesn't reward you for weaving in Auto-Attacks and Abilities, nor is it in any way rewarding in sustained fights. Not to mention that the 10% CDR was tacked onto the item post-release as something to try to entice players but it's still not more rewarding than the extra 10% Lifesteal you get from BT.

My Essence Reaver item 3508 80 AD 20% Lifesteal (Increased from 10%) 10% CDR (Removed) Passive: After casting an Ability, your next Auto-Attack reduces the Cooldown of all non-Ultimate Abilities by 1 second and restores 4/6/8% of your missing mana (upgrades at level 11 and 16). (2 second cooldown)

NOTE: Obviously, the Passive would need to be tweaked. But the general gist of it is making you think about where your damage comes from - Abilities or Basic Attacks.

I've also seen a lot of comments recommending different build paths. To that, I say no. It quite literally needs to be BT but with a Ability-Focused Element rather than the Defensive Passive of BT.

40 Comments

MrWasjig4 votes

I think that ER has potential, but right now it's simply not worth getting since you can spend your money on item 3072 and just buy item 2004 instead. Even for those that ER is supposed to be for.

ABlueQuaker3 votes

It's simply not stat efficient. You can get the 10% CDR that ER provides from other items, or simply Runes and Masteries. If I'm going Ezreal I commit to the whole Carry-Caster Hybrid and go 10% CDR from Runes and Masteries + Ionian's and sometimes even BC on top of that (if I'm not getting focused).

NOTE: I had BotRK and Cleaver in that game because all of the Enemies had a bunch of HP and I had nobody peeling for me. Normally I'd get BT and a Defensive Item.

MrWasjig1 votes

Well yeah that was the point I was getting at. Also your screenshot helps. It needs lots of tweaking to be worthwhile.

ABlueQuaker3 votes

Yeah. I'd like to see it fit more nicely in a Caster-Carry build - Trigger off Ability, Apply on next Basic Attack. It would be great if it became a distinct choice.

Right now it's simply, "Does the Enemy Team have lots of High HP Targets? Yes? BotRK. No? BT."

I want there to be a second question if the answer is 'No' - "Do I rely on a) Critical Strikes for Damage, or b) does the other 150% of my Damage come from a combination of Abilities? a) The Bloodthirster, b) Essence Reaver."

Crett2 votes

i think it should have a toggleable ability similar to muramana. giving it a damage increasing effect but rapidly draining mana. i dont want it to replace muramana tho.

Remlap12232 votes

NO! THAT WOULD MAKE TOO MUCH SENSE! WE CAN'T HAVE THAT AT RIOT GAMES!

NoMonku1 votes

Your ER seems broken. It seems pretty game breaking on specific champions like Ezreal. I feel the item just needs to be removed because it honestly doesn't offer much. If you need more mana, you almost always need to get Tear and you might as well upgrade it to item 3004 because it upgrades to item 3042, giving you a great power spike while also making your laning phase great. ER is a poor choice compared to MM because you get no mana sustain until you complete the item, making your laning phase harder, and all it really gives you is mana sustain.

ABlueQuaker1 votes

I wouldn't call it game breaking. It's the kind of thing that can be tweaked - alter the cooldown, make it trigger only off Auto-Attacks and not mock-AA's (Ezreal/GP Q).

The gist of the passive is just to reward champions more for weaving in Auto-Attacks and Abilities.

Blastumz1 votes

Dunno if your change is the answer, but at the moment the only champs that really get the full use of ER are champs that make

item 3508 item 3042 item 3025 and get to spam all day erry day (Ezreal )

ABlueQuaker1 votes

But even now my go-to Ezreal build is item 3158 item 3078 item 3042 item 3072 item 3035 and then my situational/defensive item. I run 10% CDR in my Runes and Masteries so I get 25% CDR, and 40% CDR if I get Black Cleaver as my situational item.

The CDR on ER just needlessly use up the item's power budget. I'd much rather the item have an extra 10% CDR because the real difference between BT and ER are the champions that use them. True AD Casters (e.g. Jayce and Varus) place a much lower value on lifesteal for a vast portion of the game.

Gusicles1 votes

How about it deals extra damage based on your maximum mana?

MilfHuntUnitXJ91 votes

I never ever wanted to use this, the passive looks ugly af. Why would i want it? Even if i have muramana it isnt efficient at all or worth.

I think there should be a strategic gimmick effect... such as for every killing blow you land on a minion/champ the item gains X amount of AD and it keeps the current passive as well

Mullster1 votes

It would make Lucian even more powerful then when they gave him no mana cost on his pursuit and a lower cooldown. He would be terrifying. But I also like the current ER because i still like ER Lucian. Just my opinion.

ABlueQuaker1 votes

Well then maybe it could just reduce the Cooldown of the Ability that Procs it?

Mullster1 votes

It would still be a massive overkill item for him. Every ability he uses gives a double auto-attack. Imagine Lucian with this item. He would have no cooldowns. The only way it would work is if the passive had a sheen cooldown or something like that. Then you have a problem with the passive not doing what it's meant to do, in that it gives mana for auto-attacking. It would probably work if it was two passives instead of just the one. Seperate the passives and give the cooldown lowering passive a cooldown for itself. If anything, a sheen cooldown might even be too short. Maybe a specific cooldown for it's own passive, unrelated to sheen procs.

Honestly, he's the only problem I really see with your ER. Other than that, it's not a bad start for this item. But I also feel the cooldown reduction on it is really nice.

Sasogwa1 votes

I think it should be reworked into a caster item item 1038 +item 3134 80 AD 15% CDR 15 arpen Passive: 10% physical damage dealt is returned as health and mana.

Calibretto91 votes

Changed, removed, who cares. It's useless as is.

foinhas1 votes

the problem is that by the time you finish ER, you no longer need the passive, wich makes the whole item obsolete

Silents4291 votes

It's not meant for marksmen its meant for AD casters, the problem is the build path doesn't support the champions that would build it. Your post assumes it was meant for marksmen.

A good build path for it would be making item 3134 build into it.

ComannderShepard1 votes

I wish it still built out of a pick axe instead of a BF. That way it was a cheaper alternative to BT with a great passive for the early/mid game. Even thought I personally love to build it over BT. BT is a much better buy and the shield is much more useful late game than the mana return

Zalinthel1 votes

Making it build out of Sheen seems like a logical choice, and would fix the issue of the build path doing nothing to alleviate mana issues along the way. The fact that it has AP might feel lame for some champions but most of the people that would want Essence Reaver at all wouldn't mind it.

Something like:

Essence Reaver: 3100 gold Sheen+Brutalizer+Long Sword 60 AD 250 mana 30 AP 10% CDR 10 flat armor penetration Unique Passive (Spellblade): After casting a spell, your next basic attack deals an additional (75% of Total AD) bonus damage and restores 10% of your missing mana.

WuGod2 votes

I think maybe if u lowered the ap to 20 and dropped the price to 2900 it would be a perfect item for on hit AD champs likeJayce Jax Poppy Riven and i think the champ who wud benefiet most would be MonkeyKing since he has a bit of a mana problem and there isnt really anything to compliment his q other than the tri-force, but this would fix that

A Miss Fortune1 votes

I think it actually is extremely underestimated on champions like Sivir or Ezreal and other mana hungry ADCs.

I'm actually surprised it doesn't give something like 10% Spellvamp considering most champions who would use Essence Reaver would probably use their abilities a lot and something like 6% bonus Movement Speed since it is centered around more utility than damage. The idea of a utility based item is really great, It's like the ADC verison of Ardent Censer though it needs a buff or two to make it viable on more than just a handful of ADCs.

JAGMAGZ1 votes

how about making it an ap item instead?

agbudar1 votes

no fuk no what are you trying to do? make ezreal an untoucable god? get rid of that cd reduction passive and then you are talking sense

gaby1best1 votes

BT is a defensive item, ER is offensive-oriented. If the enemy can't reach me, I'd happily buy ER instead of BT, especially on guys like Graves Sivir or Ezreal where i need the extra CDR and I spam abilities.

weasley0091 votes

I always build essence reaver on yi. Its amazing. All the alpha strikes.

Azure Hamster1 votes

I buy Essence Reaver on one champ: MissFortune

I find being able to spam her abilities more is great.

Lowvyr1 votes

I used to built it on Jax when I was level 10 I stopped by level 11

DEmperor951 votes

I believe that increasing the CDR on the item to 20% is the right change to make it more attractive to caster-based carries (maybe tune other stats or increase price a little).

I don't agree on increasing the lifesteal to 20%, because having very high lifesteal is pretty much The Bloodthirster's niche. I think it's a good idea that Essence Reaver's niche should focus on other aspects: the mana restore and the high CDR (while also having some lifesteal to be a valid replacement for BT).

I kinda like you suggestion, but I think the new passive would make the item much better for a few champions, and much worse for others, especially those with higher cooldowns. And also like I said, I think that it souldn't have as much lifesteal as BT.

Castman1 votes

That suggestion would make Urgot GODLY lmao

Ultîma1 votes

ER has a plethora of problems currently.

It has the same buildpath as Bloodthirster, but is simply all-aound worst as an item. Does not offer the same amount of lifesteal, and its passive is not as universally useful as BT.

Essence Reaver needs to do-away with the lifesteal entirely in my opinion. It is not the reason why this item should ever be purchased, and even if it was it will always compete with Bloodthirster and Bork. It needs a better buildpath which makes sense for AD casters; BF sword and Forbidden Idol would be much more suitable. 80 AD, 50% base mana regen and 15% CDR. Change the passive to apply mana-return for all physical damage in order to be an attractive purchase to ADCs as well as AD casters.

Suddenly ER has an actual niche, and a reason to exist which would be appreciated by AD tops and mids as well as Ezrael & Corki (and perhaps to a lesser extent Jinx & Kog). The reason why the item has remained in its current state for so long when Riot is aggressively balancing the entire inventory is beyond me.

High51 votes

I've seen it once in solo since I started playing. I think they player using it was on a 30 game losing streak though ...

The Jokes On U1 votes

If you do this....Varus will be so FoTM in the mid lane it wont even be funny.

Sniper 01 votes

It is supposed to be getting reworked when adc's do. so cross your fingers <3

OyddAWqJ5r1 votes

Ah, you're right. ADC items are next in line so we should be seeing ER changes as well.

OyddAWqJ5r1 votes

My Essence Reaver:

item 3508 80 AD 10% LS 10% CDR

Unique Passive: Dealing damage to an enemy champion with an ability causes your next basic attack to restore health and mana equal to 5% of the physical damage dealt (doubled against champions).

Still has CDR, potentially gives the same lifesteal as BT and not only amplifies the performance of spell spammy AD champions but makes being a spell spammy AD champion a requirement in order to access the passive.

Emperor Time1 votes

If this worked like that then lucian would be insane.

Realhrage1 votes

So Its a buff to Riven. I play riven, but don't you think her cooldowns are low enough? -_-

WiegrafOfValor1 votes

item 3508

75 AD 15% LIFESTEAL

PASSIVE: 10 + ( 0.2 AD ) ON-HIT DAMAGE TO THE ENEMY CHAMPION MANAPOOL, RESTORING 5 + ( 0.1 AD) MANA PER AA.

ACTIVE: DEALS 100 + ( 50% AD ) AS PHYSICAL DAMAGE IN LINE, IN FRONT OF THE CASTER, HEALING 50% ON THE DAMAGE DEALT IN MANA AND HEALTH. ( 90 sec. CD )

AoE:

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