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MisterHealYoGirl32 votesPersonally, I don't ban things because I think they're OP, I ban them because I know that playing against them will be miserable torture that mocks the very word 'game'. Janna doesn't fit those criterion.
Slamurai Jack20 votesFunny, I think Janna is both blatantly OP and incredibly unfun to play against as literally any melee champion.
Nahui20 votesAnd that's who she's designed to fight. Funny how that works..
Cowgirl Ed6 votesAnd that's who she's designed to fight. Funny how that works..
Then who's designed to fight ranged champs? Mmmmh
Ruin Lance17 votesyasuo
YCitizenSnipsY3 votesExplain to me why in an "adc meta," where two and three adc comps are completely common that Janna is doing so well then. Since she apparently doesn't counter ranged champions. I mean she is taken it to the lane with nothing but ranged champions, and is currently the highest performing support in a meta made for ranged champions.
Cavemantero2 votesHer kit is op. Its why she's been a highly picked champ as support for several seasons even after the passive nerf. Its not a surprise.
Mysticman891 votesHer shield gives bonus AD which a lot of people forget about for some reason, so with the rise of comps where there's 2 or 3 teammates that can directly benefit from both parts of her e, her popularity in this meta doesn't come as a surprise.
If mages become strong, then I expect she might fall off somewhat compared to others. (Also, somewhat to my surprise I don't recall seeing janna played at worlds at all this past season, which seems rather odd given that was top lane meta if I recall.)
YCitizenSnipsY2 votesShe isn't exactly Niche as the second most picked support in the game. She is going aginast these adc team comps as often as she is picked iwith them. Also why is Lulu support so bad is she basically does the same thing janna does, disengage and keeps adc's safe?
Akali is SO HOT2 votesBecause her kit is so good that intentionally feeding is hard with her on your team
kile1471 votesShe synergies well with ranged champs because she disengages for them and gives them AD steroids. She doesn't counter ranged champs, but she synergies well with them so she does well for the team that picks her in a multi adc meta.
YCitizenSnipsY1 votesShe isn't only being picked by teams with multiple adc's, that would make her a niche pick. She is currently the second most popular support in the game behind thresh, which means she is against those types of comps as often as she is picked with them. This has nothing to do with the meta.
Janna has consistently been one of the top performing supports going all the way back to season 2 and her victorious skin. But now she is picked way to much to be performing as high as she is. She is OP, that's why she does so well with the amount of people playing her. Their are supports with a fraction of her play rate, and still aren't performing as well as she is.
kile1471 votesI don't disagree that she's strong. I'm just suggesting that right now both teams tend to play with multiple marksmen on their team, and the team with 2 marksmen that gets the Janna performs better because she synergizes better with them than with the other team's support does with their marksmen. I'd hazard a guess and say that she isn't inherently strong so much that she works well with ranged AD carries, which have been a required part of the meta since Season 2. Since Riot has no plans to take ranged AD carries out of the meta, she probably needs nerfs because the meta is always going to favor her.
VesperNadal1 votes[{quoted}](name=Kiss Kiss Kiss,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cPQvjPLa,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-29T19:50:03.186+0000)
Then who's designed to fight ranged champs? Mmmmh
Assassins. Especially the ones who go all invisible and stuff. Or have massive (and instant) mobility on their abilities.
Only Play Darius3 votesHuh. 
was designed to fuck melee champions and everyone is fine with her having a 55% winrate.
was designed to fuck ranged champions (a few of which he loses to) and when he hits 50% winrate, the boards catch fire.
Funny how that works.
YCitizenSnipsY3 votesYou do realize that Janna is taken bot lane to go up against ranged adc's right? I don't understand why something so blatantly false is getting upvoted. She is the strongest in bot lane, how many melee's are running around down there?
OverpoweredSoap2 votesYou do realize that Janna is taken bot lane to go up against ranged adc's right? I don't understand why something so blatantly false is getting upvoted. She is the strongest in bot lane, how many melee's are running around down there?
Tanks supports are usually melee. Junglers are melee as well most of the time, and she can easily invalidate a gank.
Janna being bot lane doesn't change the fact that she's extremely strong against melee champions. Especially later on in the game.
YCitizenSnipsY3 votesShe is also a pretty damn good pick against ranged champions too if you haven't noticed. Thats why she is one of the most successful supports in the lane that is basically nothing but ranged champions.
Nahui1 votesShe's not that great vs ranged. All she can do there is shield her ADC. Displacing, which is her key point, doesn't work.
Cavemantero3 voteslol. Her Q is the most annoying spamable CC in the game. It's on par with Morgana's in bot lane where space can get tight due to zoning.
YCitizenSnipsY1 votesAs i stated above. Its an ADC meta with teams commonly consisting of two and three ADCs. She is the second most picked support and is the highest performing support in a meta you are basically saying she should be weak in.
Nahui1 votesThere will always be dangerous melee's to blow away. And it's not like range are immune to Janna, but she does far worse vs them.
The way to kill ADCs is to engage on them. That's why she's doing so well. She's amazing disengage.
YCitizenSnipsY1 votesThen why is lolu currently one of the worst supports in the game if she is just at good at disengage and denying dives?
Nahui2 votesAbysmal mana costs and a less reliable slow. Plus Lulu just knocks up. Janna blows them far away.
Heckin Support4 votes[{quoted}](name=Slamurai Jack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cPQvjPLa,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-02-29T19:43:46.032+0000)
Funny, I think Janna is both blatantly OP and incredibly unfun to play against as literally any melee champion.
She's in the game to stop the other champions who are "op". And it just so happens that most of them are melee/assassins.
Looknook2 votesThere was a point when Vayne was super popular and I would just ban her even if I wasn't wanting to play a tank because I do not enjoy playing against them.
Sire Hippington6 votesas a fan of dive champs, i can hardly imagin a champ that is less fun to face than janna...
Audiomancy1 votesAnyone who plays squishy, immobile champions could say the same about Leona/Thresh/Blitzcrank.
ADepressedLeona2 votesJanna actually does really well against Leona.
If she can time her Q, she stop Leona's E dead in it's tracks, and without her main engage tool, Leona is no longer a threat.
RedCyclone10 votesI'd describe Janna as cleanly overpowered
A champion who is pretty damn op, but you dont feel disgusted for getting beaten by it...juggernugger yi/fiora/xin however feels like shit to lose to
hgjkdlsaf jeldvb6 votesthat's cause she's not the one killing you. It's a lot harder to identify that. The fact remains she's constantly at high win rate and play rate and is just on no one's radar.
YCitizenSnipsY5 votesSo why is she allowed to be head and shoulder better than anyone else int he support role. I mean Thresh is the only one with a comparable pick rate but he has an 6% lower win rate. I'm sorry but Janna certainly is unfun to play against. You want lane interaction, too bad. You want to actually engage a fight, too bad. Hell she can even initiate with a flash ult.
Janna is certainly unfun to lose to because more of the time you do its because she stopped you from getting to do anything..
TotalJerk2 votesThis was Jinx for a long time until people realized they should ban her.
Only Play Darius10 votesAnd I still see people wasting their bans on Illaoi
flibitydoo4 votesThe reasoning is because Illaoi is a flashy champion- the way she wins the game is very noticeable when she 1 v 5 pentakills with her ult
Janna on the other hand has a ton of "invisible power" many people forget that her ult can heal many people undervalue the AD her shield gives many people don't know her shield works on turrets many people don't know that her W slow lasts for 3 seconds Or that it gives a passive % movement speed
And of course, there's the fact that she is a support, and even better, she's a buff oriented support. Which is a big deal since if their adc is bad, Janna doesn't fix it. It's not like brand (I barely play this game, is Brand still meta support?) or blitz or annie who can swing a game on their own even if their adc is feeding. The idea of banning a Janna is on the assumption that the enemy adc will be a threat and the Janna will peel appropriately to make that threat of an adc be unstoppable.
Simply put, the conditions to make Janna OP and worth a ban are a lot more difficult (and therefore less realistic) than the conditions to make Illaoi strong.
and the thing about her pickrate, is that she's become the new "default support". When someone calls fill in champ select, they tend to default to easy to play champions, and Janna has pretty much replaced Sona in that regard.
Unironic SJW8 votesJanna is the best support in the game if your adc is even reasonably good.
Mysticman896 votesis on a 10 game ranked Janna win streak
Statistically speaking Janna is one of the best, if not the best ban in almost every elo (not so much in bronze, but increasingly better as you move up), and yet people would still rather ban tahm kench (who in terms of win rate is actually perhaps the worst support role ban). Riot even came out and flat out stated that Janna was the statistical best ban in the patch notes awhile back, and people still under-appreciate the impact she has.
It just goes to show how perceived power is a lot more important than actual power when it comes to peoples banning habits. Humans are quite irrational sometimes.
Hayaishi25 votesi'd ban Janna if it didn't mean leaving other broken champions out.
Popstar Ahri4 votesyeah shes broken freelo
while thresh has been picked the most ever since his release date, with a huge hitbox on his Q that is way bigger than it actucally looks, still hasnt been fixed yet
dangopee3 votesAs a Vi main I think I have like a 10% win rate when there is an enemy Janna.
Only Play Darius3 votesAt least your ult bypasses her CC
As someone who loves playing Darius, Janna makes me want to open mid
BluePolarizer4 votesTry playing Shyvana or Mundo against Janna.
Lady Donatella2 votesThe only reason Janna is so good is because all the powerful champs get countered by her.
LadyRenly2 votesI prefer to ban things that if you don't ban them, they WILL get through
First of all, not banning blitz means theres a good chance someone will play him, so I always ban blitzcrank
Slamurai Jack8 votesI'd find that argument much more compelling if Janna's pickrate wasn't 8% higher than Blitzcranks, 21.5% to 13.5%.
LadyRenly1 votes[{quoted}](name=Slamurai Jack,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cPQvjPLa,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2016-03-01T02:44:58.985+0000)
I'd find that argument much more compelling if Janna's pickrate wasn't 8% higher than Blitzcranks, 21.5% to 13.5%.
down here in bronze, people stuck on support are more likely to play Blitz if he is open than Janna. And let me tell you, I see 50 blitzcranks to every 1 Janna. I literally never see Janna down here.
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