This preseason is designed for Champions with strong early games

Señor Karthus·Nov 12, 2015·42 votes·2,438 views

Late game Champs are quite screwed. If you can dominate early, you are going to have even more advantage (and worse as soon as the new minions mechanics are live). Just pick a lane bully and don't worry about late game. Most games end up in stomps.

21 Comments

iTziLLiRLNov 12, 20154 votes

A lot of people forget.. that those stronger minions can actually be a defenders advantage. It opens the enemy up to ganks if he still wants CS(Since the minions are stronger and more durable to enemy minions they will NATURALLY push) the farther away the enemy is from their turret the easier it is to gank, as a jungle main in plat 1(So close to diamond) I am going to fucking love this patch playing my AD champs I Fckn yolo it with naut attack speed, probably put life steal on that bitch. Jungle role is more important than ever and opportunities are left and right you just have to see it. You have to also adapt your build more so than ever. if you playing ahri and you want to build expensive ludens, and expensive rabadons, and expensive void, etc etc.. and you're 0/5/1 cuz you playing hyper aggressive and its NOT paying off and you're NOT adapting notice the part where I say ADAPTING well.. it's not the patches fault. that you lost both your towers in 10 minutes.

Señor KarthusNov 12, 201523 votes

And you forget that having all your lanes pushed means the enemy team controls the map, can wards and farm in your jungle, can get objectives like dragon and baron, and can split push whatever other lane you are not defending because the minion waves got to another. All that is far more important than the little cs they might miss.

iTziLLiRLNov 12, 20152 votes

I play a jungler, and I Love ganking. if you want to talk about counter play, did you know if you put a ward down before the enemy puts a ward down, and they go to roam but they didn't have a ward to see your ward, they have no idea if you saw them or not, element of surprise. If someone is pushing heavy like that though you can gank them. Im not sure if you play jungle often but an enemy pushing is your best friend something in your brain should ignite a flaming fucking fire 100000 feet tall in your mind, and you should gank them. cuz tis pretty much a free kill if you know the basics of the champ you jungling on. The more you play this patch you will see a different side to it, i was on your team before... but you will see a different side eventually

Mayor StubbsNov 12, 20152 votes

I would like to add in the case of your own lanes being pushed: in addition to opening more opportunities for you as a jungler to gank, it also (generally) promotes safer gameplay for your team. A person stuck at their turret is less likely to die

BoulderoxNov 13, 20151 votes

meanwhile warlord keystone brought Tryndamere into the meta of stupid unkillable sustain machine that never has to leave lane or lose rage because he heals off every attack.... and dives you with ease with his ult.... No, as long as things stand as they are, it is way too easy to snowball early, IDK why riot was so bent on late game LATE GAME LATE GAME all through the end of season 5, and now they say FUCK that and just make it so first tower down = won lane most of the time.

iTziLLiRLNov 14, 20151 votes

That's why you play stronger top laners... like kennen or tanky AP's, something with burst. If you know there is going to be a tryn, or wukong, or someone that benefits from crit, I've won against yasuos and tryns, you can't say they were bad.. they played the match upas best they could but kennen, or other tanky AP's just shit on AD crit top laners

GenghisEmoNov 13, 20151 votes

Gank a Graves or Draaaven, they will still live XD. Trust me, i ganked them, and got ganked as them ^_^. Might even take someone down with you, or live while getting a kill.

Oh and dont get me started on Yasuo.

HawkefireNov 13, 20152 votes

A lot of people also seem to be forgetting that by constantly having minions pushed to your own tower, that you yourself must then babysit that lane and thus give up any form of map presence, or YOU will end up missing out on farm and gold.

Michael702Nov 13, 20151 votes

So don't play Ahri or any mage is what you're saying. Got it.

LOL SpammerNov 12, 20151 votes

I think this is one of the reasons that they buffed adc's so much. Since they are much later game orientated. I wish that they would buff some other champions early game though. I think that could give ap casters the edge they need to take back the game.

Curling VeigarNov 13, 20151 votes

Unless you're Veigar. I 100-0'd an ADC with no full item built yet thanks to the new Deathfire Torch.

King of MongooseNov 13, 20151 votes

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Unless you're Veigar. I 100-0'd an ADC with no full item built yet thanks to the new Deathfire Torch.

new deathfire torch?

Curling VeigarNov 13, 20151 votes

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new deathfire torch?

Mastery.

OelykNov 13, 20151 votes

But... Jayce is viable and a threat now!

GenghisEmoNov 13, 20151 votes

Well, Vayne can still dominate early game really, really easy. Only struggles against Graves and Jinx. Other than that, you set. Even trist can hold her own, not that well against Graves, again, but still does pretty freaking good.

Kog Maw is really struggling in the early game. Only seen one game head into late phase, and Kog was powerful.

And early game casters are now irrelevant. No longer viable at all. Late game casters, also unviable since games rarely take as long XD.

Seems Cait is now busted. Pretty damn useless. Before PreSeason 6 she was great early on. Now she can barely deal damage with headshots, and Graves can just laugh it off by taking the least damage for a marksmen. And tanky supps also laugh it off barely being phased. She is now more than ever lost in with her identity. At one point she was late game carry, then early to mid, then what is she now? Still not so great any point in the match? ^_^ I get what i am supposed to do with the traps, but she is no where near as productive and viable as before (and before, she wasn't all that viable if not, just barely viable XD)

Literally, all i got to do is Spam Graves, Yasuo, Vayne, Draaaven, and Quinn and i'm set. But that's no fun =( PreSeason 5 was full of unbalanced champs, server issues, bugs, and other mess, but i actually had more fun. More champs seemed more viable, and things seemed more fun. Now it is just not as fun.