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How to nerf armor pen stacking

Jefftiffy··1 votes·272 views

Make it not possible to stack armor pen. OMG ITS SO HARD!

Black Cleaver = for the team Ghostblade = selfish/AS and low armor LW = selfish/high armor, more damage

Now you actually have to pick one. How hard is it to comprehend riot?

MR shred i can see stacking because spells fall off late game (especially now with Baron buff) and usually u don't get more than your boots and a void staff or liandry's.

The problem right now isn't the individual items, its that when you combine 2 of them u cover almost any and all scenarios. In fact it equalizes itself out in returns (yeah it doesn't really diminish due to how damage is calculated unless they have 0 armor). Limit someone to 1 and they have to choose what they want for the situation.

What this does. Yi can no longer just stack armor pen and AS and lifesteal. He has to find another source of reliable damage if he chooses Ghostblade. Lucian can not just bring ghost blade for his ult, he has to choose to have the pen to kill tanks or pop squishies. Etc, etc.

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Jefftiffy1 votes

Tell me what is your solution then. Don't down vote and not say anything.

What is the down side to making armor pen a choice? Why can you not stack gold gen for a terrible early game yet you are allowed to stack armor pen for an insane late game and early game? Why does Riot now allow you to have more than 1 jungle item? Because it is abusing the system and making it too easy.

This isn't targeted at specific champs, this is targeted at builds that just stack armor pen to burst someone so hard that they can not build against it. When the solution to armor outweighs the problem due to immense amounts of it, the solution is to limit how much you can obtain.

Instead of picking items apart and making certain items garbage tier, then make it so each one is powerful but cannot be combined. Is it that hard a concept? If someone stacks a ton of armor, then they are going to have a low health pool or very big weakness to magic. Plus, a LW + another person applying BC stacks would be perfectly counter building.

Tell me how do you fix a bunch of strong late game items working well together when each one was intended as a separate solution? It is common sense people.

Sure you ruin "viable" build and build diversity but if it is for the sake of the health of the game, you have to make that sacrifice.

redniwediS1 votes

I went against an armor pen Yi once as Garen, he died to my Thornmail.

I honestly don't see a problem here, and I normally play tanky champs. When you build defensively against something you want to focus on effective defense. Typically you would buy armor and health to counter AD and crits, but in the case of armor pen you want to build against the pen. Health and attack speed slow items usually do the trick.

You then look at the time to kill for both champions in question. If they have life steal it will increase the amount of time it takes to kill them, so continue with attack speed slows and buy a thornmail. If they have defensive items get penetration of your own. Are they significantly faster than you? Augment your CC with items and team members.

In my personal opinion the only problem with any defense penetration is the speed of which it can be acquired compared to defensive items. If the defensive focused character is ahead or on par with the offensive character the latter should be able to come back later on, however if the offensive character is ahead the defensive one will have a very difficult time catching up.

Kuroi861 votes

Yi needs a lot more than arpen, ls and as, he also needs AD and ms. The only class that can really make arpen work are Ad burst assassins. Zed Talon Khazix or even Pantheon to a degree. Anyone else, well they're wasting their gold and if they still manage to kill you, either they were godly fed or you just messed up that hard.

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