Redemption item active seems a bit much

IAmWoralo··8 votes·13,616 views

[NEW] Redemption Total Cost: 2100 G Recipe: [Forbidden Idol + Crystalline Bracer + 650 G] Stats: +400 Health +75% Base Health Regen +75% Base Mana Regen +10% Cooldown Reduction UNIQUE Passive: +10 Heal and Shield Power UNIQUE Active: Target an area within 5500 range. After 2.5 seconds, call down a beam of light to heal allies for 130 (+20 per level of target) Health, burn enemy champions for 10% of their maximum Health as true damage and deal 250 true damage to enemy minions (120 second cooldown).

Can be used while dead.

(Half effect if the target has been affected by another Redemption recently.)

burn enemy champions for 10% of their maximum Health as true damage I can see this being abused, imagine 5 x Redemption beind used chunking away 30% of the enemy's team health before the fight even starts. Or imagine taking a pentakill after you died by using this item in a really close teamfight you lost but end up winning this way.

I think the item has a fun active but making it true damage and usable after death is kind of too much. We'll see how this item does on the PBE, but I am suspecting major abuse of this item's active.

Oh and don't forget Soraka with this item, basicly giving her a double ult.

Edit: This item could also be used as a follow up for a kill. Imagine Karma with Rylais or something like that. Or even something wacky as Cho'Gath taking this item, if they escape your spikes you can still get them with this if you time it right and it also gives him some nice sustain.

2nd Edit: Or imagine Evelynn burst combo using this and her ult, giving her an insane shield, but also giving her even more burst. Though the item is useless for every other stat to her.

22 Comments

Sherogarth3 votes

Worry not, supports usually wont have enough gold to spare on it anyway or item slots left ;).

Redconquistador1 votes

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Worry not, supports usually wont have enough gold to spare on it anyway or item slots left ;).

Talisman can help with that. After Talisman and maybe boots, should be a really good choice in a lot of situations for supports

BastionKross2 votes

Disregarding everything else, I'm loving the "May be cast when dead" stipulation. I hate forgetting to use my actives until I see grey, and this makes it quite a bit less painless when I can just use them from my corpse. I hope items like item 3222 and item 3401 get the same treatment.

Jorencice2 votes

Its a 2.5 second cast. Its like getting hit by a almost fully charged nunu ult.

Anyone hit by it is a baddie in this leauge of mobility.

BakedLotion1 votes

It literally says it deals half if already affected by it. It takes a long ass time to cast too

IAmWoralo1 votes

You are right, I read over that part, I will fix it, but still if enemy team is on baron and you time it with a full group. I know it's not going to happen, but I am just stating possible exploits.

Redconquistador2 votes

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It literally says it deals half if already affected by it. It takes a long ass time to cast too

initial 10%, then 4 more at 5% brings it to 30% total

Sexy Jack Rabbit1 votes

Evelynn loves Health, CDR and Regenerations (Compliments her passive). The bonus shield would only serve to benefit her. Overall seems like a pretty good item on her, albeit a very selfish item to take.

IAmWoralo1 votes

Mana regen is actually quite useless on Evelynn, because of here passive and with Lich Bane you will get more than enough mana for your pool to never run out due to the passive.

Also health regen is nothing great but it's ok but the health does come in handy, however the downfall for here on this item is that it gives her no AD/AP so no increased damage output, so she will be taking this solely for it's proc and there are better options, so it's cute, but not that great of an item.

Eve her build is pretty much set in stone right now. Runic>Hextech and then you can either go Lich/Rylai and do whatever you like or go tank.

Sexy Jack Rabbit1 votes

Will agree with Mana Regen being useless on Evelynn, Health Regen is nice though when playing her as a flanker.

Evelynn has a very wide variety of builds, from full AD to full AP to Hybrid AA focused to Hybrid Sustained AP, etc. It's pretty silly to say her build is set in stone considering her most common build doesn't even involve HexT GB, Lich Bane is very common though. Evelynn can build almost any item and it will work well with some part of her kit. Personally I'd never build Hextech Gunblade on her, the item is way too expensive for a Jungler's budget, not too mention awkward to build.

IAmWoralo1 votes

I wasn't refering to gunblade item 3152 but this one. And after more than 700 eve games which 500 are this season I am pretty sure that the way to go is Runic and then Protobelt everything else is conditional. The other builds can be fun to play with but have major downfalls. item 1419 and other attackspeed AD items will make her early game ganks pretty useless unless you snowball AF. But it's fun if you're against a very very tanky team. item 1413 It might make you a bit more beefy but it also cuts down your jungle clear and early game kill potential. Just the worst jungle start if you ask me item 1412 Can be fun and strong however, a full AP start gives evelynn way more kill potential and AP items like hextech and rylais work with her mobility and dmg, while on the AD side we have Tri-force and Duskblade which do the same but end up giving you a much lower damage output than when you pick the AP counterpart.

Then there are some hybrid builds which can be nice, you can take Runic echoes and then switch over to some AD items, I personally like Ravenous Hydra on eve for split pushing purposes, but after all these games I'm in Plat 5 now mainly by playing eve and most of the time it's either full AP eve or AP/Tank eve, depending on the enemy comp and how well my game is going.

Ralanr1 votes

Oh it deals true damage to enemies? I kept reading as it dealing true damage to yourself as a cost for the heal.

This hurts tanks and juggernauts so hard it isn't even funny.

DeathBurst1 votes

Meh, it's a 120s CD and a 2.5s delay on activation. Honestly, I'm not too worried. Curious and interested, yes, but not worried. And I speak from both sides of the issue, 'cause I'm a Support/Jungle secondary after being a Top main.

It's strong, but it has a lot of limitations. Just like people panicked about Protobelt and Duskblade, and in fact they turned out pretty OK.

xBushx1 votes

Honestly THIS was the ONLY item or change (Plants aside, they won't stay), that I felt a "whoah moment".

I feel this item doesn't have a place in league. If anything this is a friggin ultimate put on an ability.

Floofz1 votes

I think it should be fine with the long delay/cd plus its really only worth the gold cost if your actually good at landing the active aswell otherwise u kinda just wasted a support item purchase =P so theres some skill involved aswell assuming its not a derpy ez skillshot

VoidStaresBack1 votes

I suppose I'm more curious as to what it's radius is, that, more than anything, is likely to determine how powerful it is.

RisenDarkKnight1 votes

It's really big, like amumu ult but slightly larger.

DaDurkShadow2 votes

It's exactly as big as Twisted Fate Ulti.

Handy Sandy 1 votes

Excuse me riot, why does this item exist..?

Redconquistador1 votes

I think the numbers just might need to come down a bit. Being useable even if you die makes an ability like that incredibly useful. Not to mention its passive. I'm really excited for this item honestly. Gonna be a must-have on a lot of supports!

RisenDarkKnight1 votes

Yeah IDK why they made the active true damage, not magic damage, it already provides a huge heal and does AOE % HP damage, it doesn't need to do true damage as well.

I do think they should keep the huge range and cast after death IMO, that makes it unique for a support item, but they could probably tone down the heal and make it magic damage. The 2.5 second delay isn't that big of a penalty if you are playing in a wombo combo team. (or even if your team just has a lot of slows or zone control).

ReviIo1 votes

gonna buy this on udyr

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