another Sterak's thread

Big Lincoln··79 votes·4,074 views

posting this item 3155 to ward off mage mains, they wont look at a post if they see a item 3155 on it

let's keep the ADCs out while we're at it item 3147 Talon

item 3053 has a couple of "problems" that make it an overall subpar buy on most of the champs it's intended for

has some of its power unnecessarily tried to item 3078 which is usually more popular with divers; the ones who do build this like trundle generally don't buy this too, it's a nice alternate pickup for other juggernauts but never really core. it'd be kind of lame to remove the synergy for the situations where i want both items on illaoi or mord, but if it made the item more appealing to more bruisers i'd be down with that

second, the shield decays absurdly quick, but I suspect there's a less obvious reason for why that is; Illaoi exists. She is by FAR the single best user of this item because of how her healing works, in a way that allows her to slingshot from incredibly low health to incredibly high health in the span of two seconds especially with item 3812 item 3065 . In addition to that, every ratio she has except for her ult is base AD, so she stands to benefit greatly from buying it. The only other champion with sustain close to that is Darius, but, because his bleed and ult are bonus AD and because he's already satisfied with his passive's extra damage, he would prefer to go Cleaver into straight tank. In terms of granting juggernauts survivability, Maw is usually the better item because it grants them so much sustain, but that's fair since Sterak's shield is stronger in terms of up-front values.

However, Illaoi is a champion who is slightly underperforming as-is, so I think either changing the shield's decay or upping its duration wouldn't break her. As it is right now, there are a lot of times where I don't even notice the shield, and it can be pretty unintuitive; being shielded AFTER you've eaten enough burst to activate it is tedious.

AND, Jaurim's fist sucks as a component item. You shouldn't have to stack it to get the health you paid for. That's all.

Lastly, it's a fairly nonsensical item in terms of build path and stats. As a late game pick-up, it doesn't feel that great since you've already fallen off in usefulness unless you're Trundle; it's usually better to buy it second, after Triforce, for the power spike. What I'd suggest is to bump up its price a little bit and give it much more health. Since bruisers and fighters desire health and Riot has wanted to separate them from tank items so badly for a while now, I see no reason why we shouldn't make Sterak's a moderate-to-high-cost item with much more of the stats that bruisers like to have. Having more survivability would make this item far more appealing.

A suggested changelist would be something like... item 3053 2600 -> 3100 400 HP -> 700 AD values unchanged Shield value decays over 5 seconds instead of 3 AD bonus from Sterak's Fury now lasts until you exit combat (bringing it in line with item 3156 ) Recipe is now two item 3052 (negotiable)

item 3052 No longer needs to stack to get the extra 150 health. You should get what you pay for.

######give it atma passive

142 Comments

Penns39 votes

posting this item 3155 to ward off mage mains, they wont look at a post if they see a item 3155 on it

aaa my eyes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GqpB89swq4

Big Lincoln51 votes

begone foul AP scum

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Darthmemes0211 votes

Begone foul tank main item 3151 item 3135 item 3036 item 3033 . Hows that Updated GA thats not 4 u anymore XD.

Skins Project1 votes

Ehhhh

Most tanks are AD tho.. Or can at least use it decently.

Mecha MaIphite8 votes

sion and poppy are the only ad tanks i can think of

Skins Project1 votes

Hmm

I guess I'm thinking more bruiser...

Braum & Tahm maybe?

Idk

Sp33d Zer03 votes

Both magic damage. All AD "tanks" that come to mind are poppy sion gnar jarvan hecarim. I don't count juggernauts and shyvana tends to need more than just one damage item

PB4UAME2 votes

Hec and J4 are divers though, iirc. There are 4-5 AD tanks, Poppy, Sion, Gnar, Rammus, and arguably Shen (at least, he's often built with AD/AS/on-hit).

KONO RUBICK DA18 votes

i will forever suggest cc immunity/tenacity on this item

this item is the ultimate juggernaut item, that won't be abused by other classes the cost efficiency is directly tied to the base ad, yi yasuo riven+adcs or other shit have a trash base ad they will never buy sterak

and juggernauts need something against cc because it's unplayable right now

Big Lincoln1 votes

maybe, tbh but I don't want my ability to tank through CC to be decided on my enemies hitting me

TequilaZombie2 votes

Oh! Oh! Oh! I got this one! Make a reverse Edge of the Night!

The item is activateable 3 seconds after taking damage, activating the item grants you CC immunity for the duration and enables the shield+passive to activate as normal.

Velzard of Koz3 votes

You've changed your name again, didn't you?

KONO RUBICK DA3 votes

? this is my diamond 2 blitz only acc

my main i am rubick got banned for 24 hours

Asayake 5150glow6 votes

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i will forever suggest cc immunity/tenacity on this item

this item is the ultimate juggernaut item, that won't be abused by other classes the cost efficiency is directly tied to the base ad, yi yasuo riven+adcs or other shit have a trash base ad they will never buy sterak

and juggernauts need something against cc because it's unplayable right now

Tbh if it's defense stats get good enough Riven/Yi/Yasuo will still buy it (especially Yi/Yasuo/ADC's since their crits do work with base AD, while for Riven it only amps Q, her weakest ability, and her normal autos). Before GA was AD/Armor I bought it on Riven when I needed a defensive item against not-ap burst.

KONO RUBICK DA2 votes

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Tbh if it's defense stats get good enough Riven/Yi/Yasuo will still buy it (especially Yi/Yasuo/ADC's since their crits do work with base AD,

first i never said you should make the defensive sats good

and second doesn't matter, they will lose a lot of damage compared to other users which makes it balanced and third, i don't see any problems in trading damage for survivability

afaik yi and yasuo are also melee, and they should also be allowed to play the game, they're both garbage atm

Asayake 5150glow2 votes

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first i never said you should make the defensive sats good

Then what were you suggesting?

and second doesn't matter, they will lose a lot of damage compared to other users which makes it balanced and third, i don't see any problems in trading damage for survivability

Guess so, but it'll still be used by them.

afaik yi and yasuo are also melee, and they should also be allowed to play the game, they're both garbage atm

Did you miss the part where I mentioned ADC's would be able to use it too? And then they'd probably get it nerfed lmao

KONO RUBICK DA2 votes

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Then what were you suggesting?

only to give cc immunity, then tweak the item stats (but not buffing it, either not doing anything or nerf the hp/price)

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Did you miss the part where I mentioned ADC's would be able to use it too? And then they'd probably get it nerfed lmao

i did melee only, problem solved

cc immunity should not be given to ranged champions that do not struggle at all with chain ccs

Asayake 5150glow2 votes

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only to give cc immunity, then tweak the item stats (but not buffing it, either not doing anything or nerf the hp/price)

Oh fuck no that'd be far more broken on Riven/Yi/Yasuo/Tryndamere. There's already very little counterplay against Yi besides huge burst (which this blocks) and hard CC (which this would block).

i did melee only, problem solved

cc immunity should not be given to ranged champions that do not struggle at all with chain ccs

Dude, everyone struggles with CC chains. Except artillery mages but those guys are AP.

CC immunity should not be given to carries is what you mean.

I'd be ok with that.

LankPants9 votes

2600 -> 3100 400 HP -> 700

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Shield value decays over 5 seconds instead of 3

Probably going to have to chose one of those effects, both of them together is pretty absurd, as much as I'd love that as someone who already buys this item on both Irelia as a core and top Sej situationally.

You could probably get away with both changes if the HP value was more in the neighbourhood of 500-550, but giving Sterak's damn near Warmog's HP and a considerably stronger passive than it has currently is a lot, to say the least.

bàn8 votes

too strong.

Big Lincoln5 votes

fair concern

Kloqdq8 votes

Yes

Buff my GP

Gangplank + item 3078 + item 3053 make me a mini tank with super damage. I missed this combo ;-;

Big Lincoln29 votes

if it gives riot a reason to nerf gp again i'm all for it :)))

Kloqdq3 votes

Come on man. GP isn't even that good. Got to go Brusier to be viable.

Big Lincoln34 votes

gp is basically a mage in disguise which makes him extra evil

Kloqdq1 votes

I am insulted you would defile the Pirate Kings name with such an evil term.

GP blows shit up with god old natural gunpowder.

Big Lincoln16 votes

barrel wizard

ninjaroxas2 votes

I know what im calling tyrant next time i see him

Sahn Uzal2 votes

:l

Sahn Uzal17 votes

Gangplank item 3078 item 3142 item 3047 item 3748 item 3053 item 3033 Who're you calling mage scum?

Big Lincoln38 votes

begone barrel wizard

Sahn Uzal12 votes

no u

Iźuku Midoriya1 votes

is thydra that strong on him?

Gooooob3 votes

I dont know what that guy is smoking but his GP build made Tobias vomit.

item 3078 item 3142 item 3031 item 3087 or item 3046 add in item 3053 and a item 3035 item, tack a item 3026 in there somewhere and you're good to go.

AFK Push2 votes

If he would go bruiser sometimes, then maybe he would actually climb.

Gooooob1 votes

If he would go bruiser sometimes, then maybe he would actually climb.

Your rank is? yeah i get it you can use a keyboard, doesnt mean you're right xD

AFK Push1 votes

It doesn't take somebody to be high elo to tell that somebody who has over 2000 games in a season and gravitates around low diamond to high plat is hard stuck. Alot of high elo gankplank players mix up their playstyles and go grasp into a bruiser build when going squishy thunderlords isn't reliable/safe. Tobias never mixes it up and always does the same thing. Also, if he doesn't get GP he generally just ints.

Kloqdq2 votes

Best GPs know to actually climb you need to adapt and build to the game. Most games will get you going brusier. Tobias is also a mid lane GP while the brusier actually is a strong top laner that can trade with people. Crit is a good option but is much more unreliable and should only be a back up option if you are massively ahead, or need to bring in another carry.

MagikarpIsBoss2 votes

Grasp + Bruiser build is the best build for toplane in higher elo. In most games, you wont be able to farm up big crit items because your opponents can most likely bully you a lot harder than in a low elo game. You actually need sustain and survivability. Critplank isnt terrible, but its best when your opponents are worse/cant bully you in lane or through jg pressure.

AirKingNeo2 votes

ONLY OUR HEXDRINKER DOESN'T WARD HIM OFF

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Thefrostyviking2 votes

As if the Zyra mains would let you go inside the garden you conjurer of cheap magic and barrel tricks xD

(They dont seem to think that explosives and peaceful gardens mix well)

Go back to trying to carry your boat over the desert with your team ontop by yourself until crabgot comes around to save you. :^)

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

Graves ?

Kloqdq1 votes

Gross.

Ariel the Cruel2 votes

He abuses builds gage. He's a major contributor to its past nerfs.

Darthmemes024 votes

Huh remember when riot told us to build item 3065 item 3072 on Gangplank after item 3078? lol those were the days before our lord and savior tobito told us to build armor pen crit

GGLineaR6 votes

Mordekaiser You think a item 3155 can keep ME out, FOOL?!

I may be a mage. Kinda. But the shittiness that is item 3053 affects ME too, dammit.

Even though... I mean. It's not AS BAD on me as it is on literally everyone else, BUT STILL! It's really bad. Worse than ME, even!

Ariel the Cruel4 votes

Worse than ME, even!

Debatable. How many bugs involve Gage? Now how many involve Mord? ;p

GGLineaR1 votes

Mordekaiser SILENCE, WELP!

Let an immortal tyrant dream, dammit.

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