spear of shojin solo makes jax actually stupid to face in many teamfight scenarios

Tychusfindlay918·9/16/2019, 3:22:16 PM·72 votes·17,258 views

He's basically untouchable by anyone who isn't a spellcaster, and cc-lock him is hard in a meta where no one plays tanks (which he would undoubtedly MURDER in lane anyways if someone did).

He can effectively out-tank actual tanks by a factor of 2-3 against ADCs, even hyperscale-type ADCs, and his ult with a steraks at the very least bars any mage outside of a late game veigar from blowing him up.

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Starcraft243ver9/16/2019, 5:29:23 PM24 votes

Unfortunately his E gives him damage reduction from AOE damages as well, so both Q and W from veigar deals reduced damages.

We can't help you either, did you ask zoé ?

Nhika9/16/2019, 6:54:54 PM20 votes

Q cooldown was reduced by 2 seconds last patch.

So now you can't gank him. Can't outrun him. A noob jax can go 0-10, and still win the game by landing an "okay" stun on your team.

SiG DxD9/16/2019, 4:10:20 PM10 votes

we can only hope he goes oom ?? maybe hahah

SexualNuts9/17/2019, 12:16:29 AM8 votes

I'm a Jax OTP and I completely agree.

I absolutely hate spear. The entire concept of the item is just typical of the direction this game has taken.

Gone are the days I can goof around with different Jax builds and even winning ranked matches (on-hit Jax, full tank Jax, crit Jax, AP Jax etc). Now, there is only Tri and Spear. Building anything other than these two items is troll now. And Jax has been nerfed due to how strong he is with these items. Stupid design.

Crescent Dusk9/16/2019, 7:13:58 PM5 votes

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He's basically untouchable by anyone who isn't a spellcaster, and cc-lock him is hard in a meta where no one plays tanks (which he would undoubtedly MURDER in lane anyways if someone did).

He can effectively out-tank actual tanks by a factor of 2-3 against ADCs, even hyperscale-type ADCs, and his ult with a steraks at the very least bars any mage outside of a late game veigar from blowing him up.

What? Jungler tanks are more than viable (Skarner, Nunu, Warwick, Volibear, Sejuani are all doing well). That most soloQ prefers to yolo with assassin jg's is another matter. Alistair, Rakan, Thresh, Leona, and Blitzcrank are also all perfectly viable tank supports.

Hell, pantheon jg and nocturne also work well enough since they also CC the jax long enough for him to blow up in teamfights.

Jax takes forever to come online as a champion unless you feed him early. He's no different than Yi. If you got mongoloid laners who insist on dying to him or overextending and dying to ganks, of course jax and yi will be insufferable. Until then, he's weak and blows up in team fights as he rushes triforce and spear before he even gets a single resistance item, which leaves him like wet toilet paper for the first 20 minutes of a game.

I can't understand people who complain about champs when the obvious problem is this game lets your team sink your match at champ select thanks to terrible comps.

Enemy team locks a Zed or Katarina in? Your idiot bot lane picked a Sona/enchantress support who will be instantly gibbed the moment the midlane assassin roams bot and starts the assassin snowball when all that was needed was to pick a tank supp like alistair or blitz to completely cuck the assassin.

Or your idiot jungler picks a yi/evelynn/khazix into the same Zed/Talon. Or your top lane picks a malphite/poppy into a damn Fiora or Darius, let alone the special kind of moron who picks a ranged top laner into jax aiming to cheese him early, but all that does is deny your team a frontline, so when the game reaches mid to late and your team consists of all squishy ranged champs and assassins and your backline gets dove by the enemy team with a vi/skarner/sejuani and a rakan plus jax, your team acts like they didn't doom the game from champ select.

Jax is completely reliant on reaching 3-4 items (and is only survivable after he gets triforce+spear+GA and tabis/mercs) or on the enemy team having no CC whatsoever and a weak frontline. SoloQ happens to constantly feed him with those win conditions either through comp or by throwing early leads to stall the game out for him to come online.

FacYou09/16/2019, 9:14:26 PM4 votes

Bla bla bla nerf jax bla bla bla nerf shojin bla bla bla

ShyImagoghnar9/17/2019, 12:38:56 AM3 votes

there is no universe in which shojin existing makes sense

every champion that abuses it was already in a decent spot

420 grams9/16/2019, 10:07:19 PM3 votes

It’s funny that a hybrid fighter gets away with not building any ap and low ad items

5050BS9/17/2019, 12:36:33 AM3 votes

Its a BAD item for the game. Riot needs to delete it.

Kendren19/17/2019, 1:19:10 AM2 votes

What? Spear of Shojins an overloaded item? Exaggerated surprise face

Lovelle9/17/2019, 4:10:56 PM2 votes

I personally find him stupid to face not matter how he builds these days. He often ends games before he even has time to complete Triforce or SoS. His early game is awfully decent for a champ that outscales more than half of the other melee champions.

If he manages to get an early kill or two, that's pretty much gg, and he has more than enough early game damage to accomplish that.

Pumpedhero9/16/2019, 8:31:06 PM2 votes

im ngl, i dont see what people say is so special about jax, I can't play jax at all I can build trinity and shojin and ill still just die.

Hi im 129/16/2019, 11:12:19 PM2 votes

which he would undoubtedly MURDER in lane anyways if someone did

tanks absolutely fist jax in lane tho

SirTauntsALot9/17/2019, 6:17:19 AM1 votes

why jax is broken :

  1. SOShojin makes his CD non existant.
  2. He is a fighter but somehow deals burst with his e q w combo.
  3. so other fighters can't deal with him and assasins and tanks cant either.
TTg Scirocco9/17/2019, 9:07:51 AM1 votes

One of league biggest lies is jax is late game champ Who strugle in laning phase, Im pretty sure he win lane against 65 % of current mele toplaner. Its maybe true that he lose to range champ but realisiticly every toplane champ lose to range mage champ because they are broken and role is trash

Aatrox Airlines9/17/2019, 9:49:06 AM1 votes

He would get absolutely dumpstered by tanks in lane. Ive been both on the giving and receiving ends of jax vs tanks matchups.

Pierce The Veal9/17/2019, 12:48:28 PM1 votes

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(which he would undoubtedly MURDER in lane anyways if someone did).

Common misconception. He’s actually weakest in tank metas and fares badly against them.

Limeheart XI9/17/2019, 3:32:59 PM1 votes

Windows of opportunity... What does it mean?

Chainman39/17/2019, 5:49:26 AM1 votes

"(which he would undoubtedly MURDER in lane anyways if someone did)" Drops the false opinion.

ExplodingFist669/17/2019, 1:58:58 AM1 votes

reduce his AD and AP scalings on his R and we're good

Summoner SpeII9/17/2019, 4:55:20 AM1 votes

the best counterpicks to jax are akali and malphite, akali shits on jax so hard that he can't scale anymore, and malphite beats him in lane and removes him from teamfights with his e slow (malphite e slow litearlly takes away 2.5 seconds of jax autos if it lands) and his ult is broke.

Yboat9/16/2019, 9:49:39 PM1 votes

Spear is one of those times that is abused by a few, but on other champs it's fine.

I do think the cdr on it is a butt much