http://champion.gg/champion/Zac/Jungle
This is why you don't cave to all the people saying "X champ is gutted!!!!" and buff them the patch right after the changes.
Every single streamer I watched said he was already OP last patch. Now he's disgusting this patch.
Well he's going to be "unplayable" like everyone said he is.......... because he'll be perma-ban till next patch.
Penns15 votesBefore anyone says "champion.gg sux tho" https://i.gyazo.com/42b9ea316a7f873b11e87189d0ffa3f8.png
"New" champ comes out, "too weak" on release and people call for buffs without getting used to new mechanics or playstyle or anything... who wouldve thought that would happen kappa
TheSingularity1 votesTbh they did hit his clear pretty hard due to the larger CD on his Q and dmg nerf to his E. The cd nerf reduces the amount of W resets he could get, slowing his clear down.
Then he lost splash dmg in his new Q as well as a useless second component against buffs and gromp further slowing him down.
But definitely agree
ModAcademy Kayn2 votesChampion.gg has lost all credibility for accuracy, but that's just me.
Marshbouy1 voteswhy though.
ModAcademy Kayn1 votesIt once put Lee's playrate at something much lower than what every other site did. It also put Graves banrate, i think it was, at unrealistic low level as well. I can't remember specifics, but there's a reason I pull most my stats off Lolalytics.
Ahristocats1 votesit once and still put lulu at 7% ban rate
when leagueofgraph and other sources state her ban rate at more than 64%
Venomar9 votesEven if champ.gg didn't suck. The entire player base didn't magically figure Zac out all at exactly the same time since Tuesday. Your logic doesn't quite check out.
They over buffed him, his Q sustain being the most egregious. He was trash. Riot didn't listen to the player base nor have they ever in matters of balancing numbers.
Fuck these boards honestly. This thread shouldn't have a single upvote you sheep. You were given a brain for a reason, use it.
Penns1 votesThe buffs were big and Im not gonna say that he was perfectly fine on release because.. I dont know. But that doesnt change anything about the fact that you should wait at least ~1 patch before doing anything to new champs unless they have like 35- or 60+ win rate.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 voteschampion.gg sux, bro.
http://current.lolalytics.com/champion/Zac/
lolalytics > op.gg >>>>>>>>>> champion.gg
Troll for Trump8 votesBalance takes time.
He'll be weak on release, Op next patch, and hopefully Riot will hit the sweet spot the patch after that
GULAG 4 U5 votes~~I see that his winrate is still 42% though...? ~~ Nvm, shit is updated.
But fr, it's not like the community is good at predicting shit. Just look at all the 'OMG DUSKBLADE VAYNE OPEOEOPEOEPOE!!!111!!" and what is the result? I've been saying the shit wouldn't be game breaking. Turns out I was right.
Eedat1 votesYeah I accidentally linked the op.gg which isnt updated to 7.10 yet. Fixed it to the correct link
GULAG 4 U5 votesThe community always acts like reworks are bad because they haven't learned to play the champ the new way instaed of the old.
Just like Aatrox mains. Stop building full f*cking ad. It doesn't work. Take 5 minutes to read his new tooltips and you'll realize you should build high amounts of HP.
Spacesuit Spiff1 votes"Wtf i dont revive anymore this champ is useless!!!!" To be fair, it took me a couple games to get the hang of his passive though. Really liking the rework after a night of trying to get a chest with him toplane.
GULAG 4 U1 votesI feel the same. I feel like he's better in most ways- More counterplay, more skillcap and still varied build paths.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votesyeah for Aatrox it was obvious IMO, even without playing him.
GULAG 4 U1 votesI never felt like he was as bad as his winrate first day. It was clear he was gonna be weaker, but it's not nonsense. Aatrox when strong, with his old kit, would shit on pretty much everything (good waveclear, good poke, good all in, good sustain, good splitpushing, good trading) name it; Aatrox had it. There's a reason why he was released underturned. Rickless probably miscalculated how weak he was, but calm your fucking tits. If he's weak, riot is going to buff him. FFS.
Ben Sharpio4 votesits because all of the silver players (who are not jungle mains) see his rework, don't know how to jungle, or understand jungle pathing, take him into ranked games and proceed to get utterly destroyed because Riot removed most of zac's braindead mechanics. Then after they get destroyed they wonder why, and conclude that the rework ruined the champ and never looked at themselves to blame for why they did poorly with him.
Visionova5 votes[{quoted}](name=Corsair Sion,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cE67ec3Z,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-05-19T22:42:17.759+0000)
its because all of the silver players (who are not jungle mains) see his rework, don't know how to jungle, or understand jungle pathing, take him into ranked games and proceed to get utterly destroyed because Riot removed most of zac's braindead mechanics. Then after they get destroyed they wonder why, and conclude that the rework ruined their champ and never looked at themselves to blame for why they did poorly with him.
As I recall, nearly every Zac main across all elos was saying he was too weak right after his rework.
Aazzlano3 votesI'm sure Zac mains would say that.
Miror B5 votesWho else would though? If I'm a yi main and see zac is underpowered/underperforming, why should I give a damn about it? If anything, it'd only make my character better in the grand scheme of things.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votesMost of zac mains wasn't only saying he was too weak, but were crying about the kit.
Cosmic Warper2 votes[{quoted}](name=Corsair Sion,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cE67ec3Z,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-05-19T22:42:17.759+0000)
its because all of the silver players (who are not jungle mains) see his rework, don't know how to jungle, or understand jungle pathing, take him into ranked games and proceed to get utterly destroyed because Riot removed most of zac's braindead mechanics. Then after they get destroyed they wonder why, and conclude that the rework ruined the champ and never looked at themselves to blame for why they did poorly with him.
except even in plat+ he was garbage, and masters+ players said he was trash on release
Cosmic Warper3 votesCave? He was garbage as soon as his rework released because his numbers were low and his kit felt unresponsive (mainly his Q).
He deserved buffs. Sure, they overbuffed him, but he 100% deserved buffs, along with maokai
DunkinNoobs2 votesOh wow, my thread from 2 days ago turned out to be right. Go fucking figure.
LankPants2 votesZac needed buffs. Regardless of if those buffs went too far he needed something.
MistroTTC1 votesHe might of needed buffs, but making his e when fully charged a one second stun and having his ult take 1.1 seconds to charge wasn't a good idea.
Zane Zephyr1 votesRiot admitted he was overtuned and said he will be getting some form of nerfs soon. Either next patch or they might hotfix him.
xJLx MCHammer1 votesHe is not op because of any ability but his E that can pretty much come from nearly 2 screens away.
ProfDrDeath1 votesExcept that Zac on 7.9 (EDIT: Was 6.9 before, ups) was definitely NOT fine, and warranted buffing. Sub 42%-winrates on champions that don't have a high skill/coordination floor usually indicate something is wrong.
However, especially with the de-clunkification of his Q, these buffs proved to be a tad too much.
TheOnlyJoe2 votesWe're in season 7
ProfDrDeath1 votesUps.
Arsenic Sulfur1 votesTo be fair, on release his numbers just weren't there. if you looked up "Gone" in the dictionary, you'd find the words "Zac's numbers" in font size 72, bolded and italicized. However he wasn't weaksauce.
He merely had a Rakan problem of being unable to kill someone alone outside of a full damage build. This does not fly in the jungle and made him really susceptible to counterjungling.
