He's not playing Nunu support with smite.

DunkinNoobs·Mar 1, 2017·68 votes·2,588 views

He's playing double jungle without his teams consent while queuing as for supp for faster queue times. Call it what it actually is.

89 Comments

The Yetii RiderMar 1, 201716 votes

A) He's not queuing as support to speed up queue times, he's doing it because that's the least damaging role on the team to lose. If you queue as Top or Mid and coubterjungle, you give up lane XP and gold, as well as your tower. If you give up jungle to counter jungle then the enemy will just counterjubgle you back. If you give up ADC then the player who queued support has to try and farm the bot wave.

The role that does not interact with minions is the obvious choice to sacrifice.

B) Queuing up for a game is not some agreement to abide by the strict 1-1-1-2 meta. What if I want toduo top instead of bot or if I would rather duo mid than jungle?

midnight oil24Mar 1, 20172 votes

I mean, the support role is the one that supplies the utility and shields for the team (if the team is lucky). I'd say it's a pretty crucial role, and one I'd hate to lose.

AlienPrimateMar 2, 20173 votes

Q - stronger than smite for taking objectives

W - Movement speed/attack speed buff for an ally

E - 4 second cd exhaust

R - Large AOE exhaust/separates or blows up enemy team

That sounds like utility to me.

MrHaZeYoMar 2, 20171 votes

When did Nunu get 40% damage reduction on his E?

WoonStruckMar 2, 20171 votes

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I mean, the support role is the one that supplies the utility and shields for the team (if the team is lucky). I'd say it's a pretty crucial role, and one I'd hate to lose.

Zyra provides less overall utility than Nunu. All Nunu offers is his Q for jungle, then pure utility.

Your argument about what support is supposed to provide is invalid because of that.

You should be framing your argument around what the ADC feels they're entitled to, not whether or not someone provides utility.

If it were a 'support' Ivern that was counterjungling the enemy instead, would you make the same argument? He's still going to provide utility/shields for his team.

midnight oil24Mar 2, 20171 votes

Well see, Ivern is built for the jungle. He's made to be a support who goes in the jungle. His passive doens't give as much benefit if he isn't in the jungle.

And honestly, I hate that zyra goes bot and says "I'm support." No you're not. YOU GOTTA PROVIDE UTILITY.

WoonStruckMar 2, 20172 votes

The same could be said about Nunu.

His passive, Q, and W are largely wasted outside of the jungle.

AlienPrimateMar 3, 20171 votes

Correction, his passive is entirely wasted outside of the jungle.

SilverjustMar 2, 20171 votes

A) makes sense B) then the team has to agree

ZURELLMar 2, 20172 votes

what if you dont agree with ur team? now they have to comply to ur needs? but what if they dont agree with you? then you have to comply to theirs? then you just keep going back and forth? stop using the consent arguement. it's solo q. ur never gonna see these bitches again. everyone just try their best

SilverjustMar 2, 20171 votes

If I am the adc and my support wants to double-jungle and everyone says he should not, then he should not go doublejungle and if he still does so I will report him

ZURELLMar 2, 20172 votes

if neither of you cooperating and compromising then both of u are wrong. but only one of you is getting banned and that is wrong also.

The Yetii RiderMar 2, 20172 votes

And if the team refuses to agree, then what? You put aside your own enjoyment and play the way they demand you to? That's ridiculous. Everyone should have the freedom to engage in the game in their own way. Otherwise the "meta" really is just "rules" that are arbitrarily enforced by the community which turns into genuine and unnecessary restriction in the form of bans.

normie sIayerMar 1, 201715 votes

remember when "K we just double jungle :)" when someone was last pick was a troll move? now its a 500 upvoted thread

SkiasMar 1, 20178 votes

He was also being a total jackass, he got banned because he had a trashy attitude and flamed his team. He didn't get banned for his pick, he got banned for being a prick.

tacofacefartMar 1, 20171 votes

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He was also being a total jackass, he got banned because he had a trashy attitude and flamed his team. He didn't get banned for his pick, he got banned for being a prick.

we are all a bunch of asshats.

Glory ln DeathMar 1, 20173 votes

I am no hat, good sir! I am a bonnet!

Dynamiku EntryMar 1, 20171 votes

You're either thinking of someone else (mistaken) or you're simply lying (lying)

SkiasMar 1, 20173 votes

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You're either thinking of someone else (mistaken) or you're simply lying (lying)

I'm not, and I'm not. Whatever. I wouldn't want that crap either. Dude never came to lane.

AhristocatsMar 2, 20175 votes

dude never came to lane has nothing to do with having a trashy attitude

he never flamed he played to win it was ranked game

i don't need to look further

Dynamiku EntryMar 1, 20175 votes

You're wrong, he communicates with every team he's on, and it's a strategy he developed not just a tactic he uses when he doesn't get jungle. He doesn't que for jungle. You're simply wrong and spreading misinformation. Only thing worse then being stupid, is being stupid, and smug

RavenMagusMar 1, 201712 votes

He communicates with the team, but he doesn't compromise with the team.

He tells them how to play with his double jungle meta, but if they don't want to play with a double jungler, he says too bad and does it anyway.

iTaLenTZMar 1, 20175 votes

So which role should he pick then if he wants to double jungle but not be the main jungler?

jinxedchefMar 2, 20176 votes

ARAM.

SilverjustMar 2, 20172 votes

que support, ask your team if its okay, if okay then play double jungle

tacofacefartMar 1, 20174 votes

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He's playing double jungle without his teams consent while queuing as for supp for faster queue times. Call it what it actually is.

He would still be supporting.

AirKingNeoMar 1, 20175 votes

No he isn't supporting. He's playing Nunu Jungle.

tacofacefartMar 1, 20176 votes

nunu is a support champion though.

AirKingNeoMar 1, 20174 votes

Kayle is a support. If I go smite and counterjungle as Kayle despite being queued and roled as Support, am I support? No I'm double jungling.

tacofacefartMar 1, 20173 votes

nunu is more supporty.

Glory ln DeathMar 1, 20173 votes

If I go smite and counterjungle as Soraka despite being queued and roled as Support, am I support? No, I'm double jungling.

tacofacefartMar 1, 20174 votes

yes.

tacofacefartMar 2, 20171 votes

im down if you want to add, we can duo jungle, sona/raka.

Glory ln DeathMar 2, 20171 votes

Let me go smite/teleport Kalista with your Soraka or Sona and we've got a deal.

Actually, nevermind on the teleport part - that won't work anymore after they increased the channel time... It used to be enough time that you could take your soul-bound partner with you through teleport.

I wanted to try Kalista/Tahm Kench double jungle, both with teleport and smite for stupid amounts of map presence, but I didn't have friends who played League back then...

HudnofskiBlehMar 1, 20173 votes

But it is the same. The player wanted to do something off meta (basically two junglers. No denying it's basically just another jungler.) But the strategy is getting hated because it doesn't go along with the 1 top 1mid 2bot meta. The argument I hear is that this style of play is bad for the ADC. How? Is the ADC literally a brain dead child that can't figure out that all he has to do is play more passively? Farm under tower, which will allow you to stay safe, have all of the CS you want without worrying about support taking it, and it's easier to get ganks from your TWO junglers since you are sitting under tower! I literally can't think of any good arguments as to why this guy deserves to be banned. He's also figured out a way to allow a typically bad champion to be usable! Players are always complaining about how the meta only allows a player to select a handful of champions if you want to climb, but get mad when this guy figures out how to make non meta picks viable.

KuboxMar 1, 20179 votes

We get a daily dose of "Turrets are crap, mage supports are OP and 4-man fiestas bot are too easy to make" on the boards but sure, it is completely the ADC's fault for not being able to farm in a 2v1 lane.

HudnofskiBlehMar 1, 20171 votes

I don't understand what this has to do with the argument. But because having this debate with people is probably unhealthy, I give you this victory. Seriously, why do I feel the need to argue for this Nunu so strongly?

Glory ln DeathMar 1, 20174 votes

You have a strong sense of "victim guilt". Basically, anytime you see someone being attacked or taken advantage of, you immediately feel the urge to defend them, even without understanding the full situation.

It can be a good thing in many situations (it's not bad to be empathetic), but it can often lead you to blindly defend something that maybe you shouldn't.

HudnofskiBlehMar 2, 20172 votes

Nice response. My stance on the situation has actually changed now that I've thought about it.

Personally, I believe that that Riot, the Nunu, and the player base are doing some things wrong. When it comes to Riot, I believe they need to state what they find acceptable in cases like this. Do they want to enforce the standard 1 top, 1 mid, 2 bot meta, not allowing players to try different things in ranked? Or would they let players do whatever they want, even if it causes displeasure to other players? Elaborating on this would definitely tell the community what they truly think about all of this. I think that they should allow more deviation to the standard when it comes to rank. Even if it's not the most effective, it is a viable strategy, and seems to throw the enemy team off a lot of the time. Honestly, I think that allowing more deviation from the 1-1-2 meta would allow more champs to be viable, and shake the meta up a bit.

When it comes to the Nunu player, the one thing I say he could do is try to play more traditionally and being more flexible. Looking at his Op.gg, he seems to already be doing this, as he is playing a lot more Ivern.

The last thing I want to say is that maybe the player base should learn to be more flexible. 1-1-2 isn't the only strategy available to players, and they should be more open to trying new things. The Nunu Smite Support (excuse me, double jungler) strategy wasn't a bad one, it was just something that players weren't used to, so therefore they didn't enjoy it. I mean, the guy was in Diamond, he probably knew what he was doing.

Overall, I think Riot could be a little clearer, and Take The Draw and the player base could be more flexible.

Glory ln DeathMar 2, 20174 votes

I agree that all parties are in the wrong to an extent.

As far as Riot is concerned, I think they need to have a different response or "punishment" in place for this kind of thing (one player basically one-tricking an unpopular strategy to such an extent that his teams feel like it's being forced on them). A simple warning being sent to them to just let them know that they are having a strong negative impact on their team mates and giving some advice on how to continue their strategy without that negative impact would be much better. If it continued, a short ban (2-3 days) would be fine, just to let them understand that this is an issue (but not enough to warrant a 2 week ban or permaban).

The player definitely needs to be more willing to compromise with his teams. It's one thing to play a new and unusual champion or strategy, it's another to only play that, no matter what.

And the community needs to be more willing to accept new ideas (or at least not jump straight to flaming and reporting). Them being a bit reticent is a little understandable, since this was in Ranked, though.

HudnofskiBlehMar 2, 20171 votes

Exactly. You said it better than I could.

LauchmelderMar 2, 20171 votes

I'm gonna be completely honest here:

If that Nunu would have been in my game I wouldn't have cared. He told his team what he's gonna do and at that point I would have picked a high waveclear champ for bot.

Ziggs, Corki, Varus, hell Azir or Syndra. It would not have mattered to me in the slightest. I have never really seen that strategy and who am I to judge then?

KuboxMar 2, 20172 votes

I don't need to see them.

I'm a support main, I know what happens if you leave an ADC behind. I've punished supports for not being there just like I've been punished for not being there. Unless they give Draven a buff where he automatically starts the game with a bonus 1500 gold, there's no such thing as an ADC that can 2v1 with no problem.

Can double jungle no support work? Definitely. That is, if you are in a duo with the ADC and he knows the plan and how to play with it. But with a team of strangers? No freaking way.

AnagsMar 2, 20171 votes

And adc is the really weak role so why wastell resources on them when you could possibly put the enemy jungler behind. The jungle being maybe the strongest role on the team according to a lot of people.

It actually makes sense right now. But people want to play standard lanes regardless.

If their jungle is behind they will have a much harder time 4 manning bot plus you would have deep vision early on and see it coming.

KuboxMar 2, 20172 votes

Yeah ... No.

Contrary to boards' belief, ADCs are not weak. They are still strong. They will still shit on your face if you let them get rolling. Bot lane fiestas would never be a thing if it wasn't for the fact that putting the enemy ADC behind while simultaneously putting yours ahead was one of the best way to secure a game as jungler.

RatpocalypseFeb 21, 20181 votes

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He's playing double jungle without his teams consent while queuing as for supp for faster queue times. Call it what it actually is.

It doesn't say "Support Bot Lane" there is nothing wrong with his actions Nunu is a champ with very supportive abilities and functions well as a counter jungler.

There SHOULD also be no issue if he thought support top or mid was more impactful and chose to do so.

Why is he forced to play the game YOUR way but you aren't forced to play HIS way?

Illâoi Evê SiônFeb 21, 20183 votes

Did you have no reception for a year? O_O

RatpocalypseFeb 21, 20181 votes

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Did you have no reception for a year? O_O

I'm allowed to post it's not archived, so no point to make a new thread. You should learn how to use forums.

The video below should guide you through life.

https://youtu.be/n4-jZylsbRE

Illâoi Evê SiônFeb 21, 20181 votes

Relax man, you can try to start a new discussion if you want. I'm just curious. Have fun, [slayer-jinx-catface]

rtbf221651412Feb 21, 20181 votes

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It doesn't say "Support Bot Lane"

Doesn't it list it on the map as support as bot lane before the game starts?

Also, this thread is a year old.