would the league player base be happier if there weren't any champions like riven/zed/yasuo/lee

A Basic Island··7 votes·559 views

and every champion was a shyvana/mundo/garen

No chance of getting outplayed

No chance of outplaying anyone

no mechanical/outplay champs, just stat check champs

instead of playing as/against champions that have potential to outplay,

every champ just asks "are your stats this high? Kay, you lose"

You fall behind? You stay behind since every champ just stat checks each other

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Poske5 votes

If anything we need more mechanical champions

We need reworks for old champion so they can become as mechanical as riven le bl yasuo etc

By the 2030 we will get that judging by riot rework speed. Yeah you can Disagree with me all you want but its clear. Popularity of high mechanical champions speaks for itself and proves to riot they need to make more

Dont expect any Narrow champions to be released

Last one was Velkoz and he was huge fail as a champion. (there are already better versions of him syndra in mid, veigar in mid, viktor in mid, brand as support)

I just want more Figher champions which are alike yasuo/riven etc

Hopefuly they ll turn Xin,Panth etc into those because lets face it those 2 would be perfect hit. Just take a look at xin dance animations. And Pantheon is from Sparta lets face it Sparta champ should be really mechanical in duels

If The X champions montage doesnt impress you chances are he needs a rework. Of course there are exceptions

THE RlVER KlNG1 votes

This is the most egotistical post I've read in a while.

Vel'Koz was not a fail. Just because he doesn't rapidly press his buttons and then spam laugh for his gameplay doesn't mean he's a 'failure'. If you judge a champion on whether they give you the option to ignore other champion's kits (Yasuo, Riven) or crowd out other options when strong (Lee SIn, Zed), then you're an idiot. Vel'Koz has consistently been one of the most balanced champions in the game and rewards players who can hit skillshots and time combos, instead of dashing everywhere and removing lane opponents' agency.

Mechanically intensive champions are fun and welcome additions to the roster but 99% of the time they turn out to be massive problems to game health.

Case in point?

Azir Fiora Kalista Katarina Leblanc LeeSin Nidalee Riven Vayne Ryze Yasuo Zed are all regarded as champions that are difficult to play, and all have consistently and reliably warped game balance in the past or currently. They are all (with the exception of Ryze, although he has a mass teleport and movement speed) mobile and generally considered fun champions to play as (although perhaps not against).

Poske1 votes

Velkoz has been irelevant ever since release. Sorry but Up until this point there was 0 reasons to pick velkoz in midlane over syndra unless syndra is disabled / banned and you need something similar

Same with Velkoz in botlane who was outclassed by brand and zyra

Yes he was around 50% winrate all the time. Which tells you that he is Under Powered Since velkoz is insanely simplistic champion

All you have to do IS aim a spot. Press 4 buttoms the fastest you can always in the same exact fking order. Oh and there are angle qs I guess thats about it

Velkoz doesnt have combos. ITS A COMBO.

Xerath is also a champion who outclasses velkoz. And has 4 skillshots. And is actually balanced

Only reason mechanical champions are a problem is because the difference between skillcaps is to high. Comparing garen to le bl is like comparing Bonobo To Tesla

Once Bonobo champions get reworked problem ll cease to exist

Now the Issue is Riot wants that some champions stay bonobo champions. Which is fine as long as they give high elo players ways to abuse em. Like singed .. OR Some hidden mechanic cancels..

THE RlVER KlNG1 votes

Why do you talk like Morpheus who just smoked ten pounds of crack?

No, I do not like to play against Yasuo, don't try to tell me that I do. I dislike playing against Lee Sin and Vi, but here's something you may not know, both are point-and click champions with one skillshot? Comparing the two is apples to oranges. Lee has single-handedly determined what is allowed to be strong in the jungle for 5 years now, and everyone except his bloated playerbase Riot panders to hates him for it. Vi is an oppressive early game ganker and clearer (just like Lee), who has one of the best lategames out of any diver.

I also can't understand why you call Vi a point and click gimmicky ball of stats when Syndra, your apparent main you think is Riot's gift to mid lane, is literally the same thing.

Wow! Big surprise. You're a Yasuo, Riven, Lee Sin, LeBlanc, Katarina main. The very same types of champions you are espousing as great and healthy for the game and fun to play against.....except they usually turn out not to be.

Your idealogy is whack and your opinions are bad for the game. Making every champion a flashy playmaker that sucks the fun out of the other 9 players is not where League should be headed.

Penns4 votes

No man squishy champs with skillshots have no counterplay at all and tanks/fighters that only right click and press their buttons with 0 aim or timing have "easily avoidable damage" ayy lmao

Very Hard Engage2 votes

the game would be a lot easier and more strategic, but less fun overall if you didn't have to worry about anything, there would be definite countermeasures and a stagnant "this is best" would form if you never felt you had the opportunity of outplay "mechanics" i can still win.

Oleandervine1 votes

Those champions are all frustrating because good players are unbeatable except by other good players, at least in Lee's case. In Riven's, Yasuo's and Zed's (before his rework), anyone with remote game knowledge can dominate because their kits are so versatile and they have so many built in escapes that there is no retaliation if they all in unless you can hard CC and kill them immediately. And even then, Riven can just ignore that right now.

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

Riven's winrate isn't even positive till Diamond. ._. And that is after a buff. Playerbase has bitched about her nonstop since I joined in 2011

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

Riven has a slower play and winrate than Ahri. Ahri is ban less. People particularly dislike Riven and have been QQing about her nonstop since 2011.

Big Lincoln1 votes

yeah, every champion needs to have a skillshot, a dash, and if they're melee and don't have a dash they should have a delayed spell too

mechonix big plays

Ok sure but why1 votes

outplaying lee ok

okay maybe if you got some Morgana Sivir Fiora Nocturne Poppy item 3814 item 3139 item 3157 action around but no, horseshit auto-target insta-kill ult

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