I'm calling some massive BS on Senna getting allied stealth.

Terozu·Oct 29, 2019·2 votes·1,526 views

Lux will be forever cheated by this. Like, wtf??? [sg-lux-2]

31 Comments

TheUrbanKitsuneOct 29, 20193 votes

It's not the same as the 'stealth' they proposed for Lux's kit (which had champions going completely invis and would've been stupidly broken). Senna's 'stealth' appears to just mask a champion's identity. It gives them a speed boost and untargetablility, and makes them appear as spooky wraith monsters. At no point are they completely invisible.

TerozuOct 29, 20191 votes

I was not informed of this, if this is true I'm fine with it. But until I've seen this I will remain mad.

TerozuOct 29, 20191 votes

So I saw a video on it in less than a minute. It does in fact make them truly invisible, then they get a Neeko passive as a wraith when they leave the field. So I am now half as mad as before.

Pika FoxOct 29, 20191 votes

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So I saw a video on it in less than a minute. It does in fact make them truly invisible, then they get a Neeko passive as a wraith when they leave the field. So I am now half as mad as before.

It gives camo, if youre close enough or use a sight ability you can see them.

BeatzBoyFTWOct 29, 20192 votes

It's a camouflage, so I'm guessing that throwing down a Control Ward inside it would reveal everyone in it.

XavanicOct 29, 20191 votes

my problem with it is the untargetability, i fucking rather they get stealth then damage immunity

Pika FoxOct 29, 20192 votes

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my problem with it is the untargetability, i fucking rather they get stealth then damage immunity

Untargetability =/= damage immunity. You can hit with any skillshots, and given you can physically see them you can hit them.

ZackTheWaffleManOct 29, 20192 votes

you can't hit untargetable champions with any skillshots or point-and-click abilities

Pika FoxOct 29, 20193 votes

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you can't hit untargetable champions with any skillshots or point-and-click abilities

You can hit with skillshots, just not point and click. Its akali in her shroud, shes untargetable but skillshots/AoEs still hit her.

ZackTheWaffleManOct 29, 20192 votes

akali isn't untargetable in shroud.

Fizz is untargetable in E

Doge2020Oct 29, 20192 votes

Look at the video that Skin Spotlights uploaded on YouTube. You can very clearly see Senna getting hit by Thresh’s Q (which is a skillshot and not a point-and-click ability)

ZackTheWaffleManOct 30, 20191 votes

then she isn't untargetable.

Doge2020Oct 30, 20191 votes

She is untargetable, but she can still be hit by skillshots and Senna and her allies in her E are revealed when an enemy is near.

To counter her E just simply have a malphite ult or other tank/fighter engage and you can click on her again.

ZackTheWaffleManOct 30, 20191 votes

She is untargetable

She can still be hit by skillshots

this is a contradiction. if you are untargetable, it means that NOTHING (except fountain laser) can hit you

you can't hit Fizz with anything when he's on his E. He is untargetable. you can't hit Khazix with point-and-click abilities in his R. He is invisible.

xDogMeatxOct 29, 20191 votes

imo its still immortality anything that a auto attack cant touch is immortal vs champs that can aa only.

its release akali shroud minus the tower immunity.

Pika FoxOct 29, 20192 votes

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imo its still immortality anything that a auto attack cant touch is immortal vs champs that can aa only.

its release akali shroud minus the tower immunity.

Except almost every champ in the game has a skillshot, sooooo?

xDogMeatxOct 29, 20191 votes

name udyr fiddles trydemere (his spin dont count since thats his escape/engage) vayne jax (again his E is a engage so when it activates it stuns yes but it doesnt break stealth) trundle... i can keep going that will take a while. ill simply it nullifies alot of champs. and ultimates dont count either.

Pika FoxOct 29, 20191 votes

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name udyr fiddles trydemere (his spin dont count since thats his escape/engage) vayne jax (again his E is a engage so when it activates it stuns yes but it doesnt break stealth) trundle... i can keep going that will take a while. ill simply it nullifies alot of champs. and ultimates dont count either.

Out of 140+ champions in the game, you listed only 6.

xDogMeatxOct 29, 20191 votes

Sigh.. you really want me to go though each champ and list who can work and who dont?

TheUrbanKitsuneOct 29, 20191 votes

These same champions get countered by Akali shroud and any champion who can stealth/go invisible, which there are A LOT of. It's not a new mechanic.

xDogMeatxOct 29, 20191 votes

heres the question is it a akali shroud style of stealth or a twitch style where "if you get near me you'll see me"

TheUrbanKitsuneOct 29, 20192 votes

It's more like Twitch! Getting close to them breaks the camouflage.

Pika FoxOct 29, 20192 votes

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Sigh.. you really want me to go though each champ and list who can work and who dont?

The number of champions with 0 skillshots or otherwise non targeted abilities (meaning garen has an applicable skillshot via his E) is ~10, consisting of Fiddle, Kindred, Yi, Shaco, teemo, trundle, singed, twitch, udyr, vayne. Out of 145 champions. Even then, Teemo, Shaco, Trundle, Singed and Twitch all have skillshots (Box, shroom, pillar, slow pools). So youre left with only 5 champions in the game that dont have some form of skillshot or target agnostic ability. 5 out of 145.

And, as far as we know so far, the ghoul form breaks the moment you get close. Meaning malphite or your tank can just R in or get close, and theyll be targetable again.

xDogMeatxOct 29, 20191 votes

ur saying its a soft stealth (twitch) or a hard stealth (akali) if they are in the E field?

Pika FoxOct 29, 20191 votes

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ur saying its a soft stealth (twitch) or a hard stealth (akali) if they are in the E field?

Its camo, meaning its similar to rengar ult. If youre close to them, camo breaks. Twitch i believe is camo. I know Pyke's W is camo, so it will be similar to his. Riot reworked invis to be stealth or camo. Assuming the description we have is accurate, getting close to the field will break everything within it. No ghouls, and you get vision.

xDogMeatxOct 29, 20191 votes

i get it its a reverse smoke bomb. there the attackers need to see the targets so they have to get closer or simply wait till they do something.

Doge2020Oct 29, 20191 votes

And if an ally of senna auto attacks during her E, that champ will be visible again. So if Senna accidentally uses E while they are attacking, her allies will waste it during the fight and she wastes a pretty powerful ability.

xDogMeatxOct 29, 20191 votes

dang... im gonna guess thats her "blitz Q" ability that wont fall off no matter how bad the game is.

XavanicOct 29, 20191 votes

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Untargetability =/= damage immunity. You can hit with any skillshots, and given you can physically see them you can hit them.

it says their un-attackable, meaning their most likely just outright immune to dmg

TheUrbanKitsuneOct 29, 20192 votes

This is incorrect. If you watch the video revealing her kit the Xayah in her shroud gets hit and slowed by Xin Zhao W. It's a lot like Akali shroud.

MakarakarnOct 29, 20191 votes

It's a circle that grants camo, meaning not complete invis. Once they leave, they become un right clickable untill you either get too close, damage them, or they do something.