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Vayne is the absolute epiphany of cancer

Darth Sidiouss··18 votes·3,391 views

She is **B - R - O - K - E - N **

Idc what anyone says, Im all for a champion that is intended to outplay opponents but seriously? this bitch just attacks you with such damage when not even at full items ive never actually felt outplayed by this champion ironically. For the sake of clarity you cannot actually tell where shes gonna pop when she Qs during ULT its a total mystery. Its hard to pick her off because there's walls or surfaces to land her E practically anywhere you cant exactly catch her off where she cant use her E to her advantage.

Dont even BOTHER to mention she has a weak laning iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii dont wanna hear it =_= maybe in sliver or bronze this applies to those vaynes but if you can pull off the mechanics she does require she can assassinate pretty much anything with no fall backs or niche and i find that absolutely retarded for an ADC to out perform an assassin in every way. As a Evelynn main i completely understand what it is to have the element of surprise and to catch your targets but you know something? eve does not have true dmg, and she cannot go invisible at will she has to wait for the passive to reactivate as well. Vayne is just overloaded beyond 25 min if theres ANY champ that needs to be reworked its her.

34 Comments

dominusx12 votes

Vayne can outplay you but there is no actual way of outplaying Vayne. Nothing in her kit is dodgeable she is like ranged Tryndamere. But trynda can at least miss his E and get kited. The only way to deal with her is to point and click nuke her. Sadly she can stealth like 3-4 times per fight to reposition and dodge shit easily while amping her dmg. Oh well Trynda is toxic tho he rightclicks you and doesnt die. kek.

Darth Sidiouss1 votes

Tryndamere is bullshit but sorta fair if you have the speed you can outplay him but vaynes night stalker passive makes it very hard to re position yourself or let alone kite her.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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Vayne can outplay you but there is no actual way of outplaying Vayne. Nothing in her kit is dodgeable she is like ranged Tryndamere. But trynda can at least miss his E and get kited. The only way to deal with her is to point and click nuke her. Sadly she can stealth like 3-4 times per fight to reposition and dodge shit easily while amping her dmg. Oh well Trynda is toxic tho he rightclicks you and doesnt die. kek.

More like 2-3 times, at least come late game because it's unlikely she'll take 6-8 seconds unstealthed to kill you (Q has 2 second CD after autoing).

Unless you're a tank, but if you're a tank she doesn't even need to R to kill you lol

xWaters3 votes

Epiphany or epitome :thinking:

Sujiren2 votes

You just play point and click support, to make sure he doesnt get to play the game, nautilus used to work wonders for me with his chain cc, and a point and click knock up ult. Brand lane also used to be nightmare for her, not sure how effective is that anymore, because of dorans shield start though.

meowwow71 votes

any champs with tethers destroys her too :P

Mcprowlington2 votes

thread title makes no sense. Just throwing that out there.

Sauceyapples1 votes

I think he meant epitome

Leaf on Bush2 votes

Idc what anyone says

Then we also don't need to care what you have to say. Which leaves us with one question: Why even go to the boards if you don't like communication and discussion?

Darth Sidiouss1 votes

Why do people go to the boards if they dont bother to read! lmao i clearly say she is broken - - - - - > "idc what anyone says" its not generalized its geared towards the opening statement.

archerno11 votes

So u are deaf to all counters and reasons why she is barely viable in any ELO (hell even GOSU said he wont play any more Vayne cause she is garbage) ?

ScriptBrand1 votes

vayne is one of THE WORST adcs. the only way vayne can proliferate is if all your lanes are behind or you somehow feed her a million kills in lane. if your mid or top is ahead they can dive her easily because of how short her range is. her teamfight is SOO bad because she has to be in strike range of most abilities to auto anyone. btw how do you have nearly 2k games played and still gold 5?

Penns1 votes

Yeah I feel like lately shes been doing.. quite a lot of damage again with the Static burst and crit item buffs. And with "quite a lot" I mean https://i.gyazo.com/23602eb62a269c14f3b2035b9249c338.gif with one AD item https://i.gyazo.com/2fd13c56ed799597702c0b62e2293e5d.png xd adc in 2k17

ScriptBrand3 votes

i mean, that clip is a vayne who is clearly fed af. if a bot lane is 2 lvs above a jungler the game is over no matter who it is

Penns2 votes

Yeah clearly fed af.. with 3 items. One damage item, a Shiv and a PD which literally gives her 0 damage, it only makes the chance for that to happen 64% instead of 25% with just IE and Shiv. And those 6 base AD she has over a level 10 Vayne.

ScriptBrand1 votes

and those extra levels in her q and that less health on kha and those less items on kha....yea it's more than just 6 base ad from 3 lvs and 3 items

Penns1 votes

Pretty sure she maxes Q first anyway tho and I wasnt doing that bad so level 11 is pretty normal.

ScriptBrand3 votes

i'm telling you, 2 levels behind a shared lane is probably like an 85% chance you're gonna lose the game. whether it was vayne, cait, or xayah they are too far ahead of you at that point.

Eedat1 votes

I wasnt doing that bad so level 11 is pretty normal.

You are legit 2 levels under a duo laner. You are getting smashed.

Penns1 votes

My bot lane is getting smashed* Im the same level as the enemy jungler lol. But ye adcs dont need counterplay since they arent assassins hehe xd

Eedat1 votes

bot lane losing will not affect with your XP to sch a degree. Not only should you be ahead of a duo lane as a jungler, you are two levels under them.

I do not understand why you think you are doing ok when you're massively underleveled which means massively underfarmed as well. Its not even hard to keep up in levels with how the catch up xp works

Penns1 votes

Im doing ok because Im higher/the same level as the enemy Elise dud, what can I do when my bot ints like 10 kills, of course Vayne is gonna get exp from that lul

abca981 votes

I am just gonna ask: She has the % max health true damage and a constant repositioning ability: Why does she need an ad steroid and stealth?

King LeBong1 votes

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I am just gonna ask: She has the % max health true damage and a constant repositioning ability: Why does she need an ad steroid and stealth?

Just gonna ask, what makes you think you can safely remove those when she's already absolute garbage in most elos that aren't bronze?

abca981 votes

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Just gonna ask, what makes you think you can safely remove those when she's already absolute garbage in most elos that aren't bronze?

Nothing: I don't play her so I want someone who knows how she works to tell me why those elements are necessary.

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

Aside from having % HP true damage my biggest issue with her is her mobility. Not only does she get a dash and Invisibility on that dash, she gets 30 extra MS and this becomes 90 when ulted. I don't get why a champ with a 2 second dash gets to have more MS than any other adc too.

Clearly something is wrong with her kit because when she DOES become viable at high level play she owns the botlane meta. But she's a playmaker, she's designed around outplaying...... and not being outplayed.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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Aside from having % HP true damage my biggest issue with her is her mobility. Not only does she get a dash and Invisibility on that dash, she gets 30 extra MS and this becomes 90 when ulted. I don't get why a champ with a 2 second dash gets to have more MS than any other adc too.

Clearly something is wrong with her kit because when she DOES become viable at high level play she owns the botlane meta. But she's a playmaker, she's designed around outplaying...... and not being outplayed.

Honestly what I think would fix Vayne is to really embrace the short ranged, risky theme.

First off, auto attack range reduced to 425. You want all that mobility? Use it. Would also make her early game suitably risky. Second, E no longer stops dashes. E shouldn't be a peel tool, it should be a stun tool. If you wanna avoid CC dodge it with footwork or Q. If you wanna avoid point and click CC, dodge it with invisibility.

King LeBong1 votes

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Honestly what I think would fix Vayne is to really embrace the short ranged, risky theme.

First off, auto attack range reduced to 425. You want all that mobility? Use it. Would also make her early game suitably risky. Second, E no longer stops dashes. E shouldn't be a peel tool, it should be a stun tool. If you wanna avoid CC dodge it with footwork or Q. If you wanna avoid point and click CC, dodge it with invisibility.

You're proposing some of the most retarded nerfs I've ever seen for a champ that is already bad.

This is part of why the boards is ignored, you have no idea what you're talking about in any form.

invisiblecat11 votes

Idk where this hate is coming from when she has had a constant win/playrate, but her banrate just randomly spiked up I understand where this hate is coming from, but please understand that there are SO many more adcs to complain about Lucian, Caitlyn, Twitch, even draven are 10 times better right now

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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Idk where this hate is coming from when she has had a constant win/playrate, but her banrate just randomly spiked up I understand where this hate is coming from, but please understand that there are SO many more adcs to complain about Lucian, Caitlyn, Twitch, even draven are 10 times better right now

It's not about how good they are...

SSJTribe1 votes

Idk where this hate is coming from

I understand where this hate is coming from

Wat.

invisiblecat11 votes

Alright I may be a little confusing I mean I dont get how she all of a sudden got a spike in banrate, but I know that she is hated because of the counter play options

Sauceyapples1 votes

...epiphany?

...or epitome?

Epiphany like a sudden eureka?

Or epitome like the perfect example?

Tiniest Turtle1 votes

My reason for hating Vayne can be explained through a series of events that happens fairly often when I'm against her when I'm bot or support vs her.

  1. You see her pop ult.
  2. She goes invisible before she gets in range for you to target her and land anything.
  3. She lands an auto from stealth, guaranteeing the first hit, which also likely crits.
  4. Q+ult bonus ad+crit+IE+Shiv= about 50% of your up if you're a squishy.
  5. You get about a second to lock her down and kill her, don't get stunned.
  6. See numbers 2-4 but probably without Shiv.
  7. You're probably dead without her even needing to proc w.

If she isn't behind you in items/level she can burst you so quickly with only right clicks while being incredibly difficult to fight back against due to constant dodges and untargetability from stealth followed by getting to land her hella painful attacks on you. She just freely gets to hit you while giving you such a slim chance to hit her. You just end up feeling cheated most of the time because all she has to do is hit R, and Q off cooldown and right click when she's ahead.

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