I feel it almost safe to assume that Malzahar is going to lose his suppression with the rework.

Blade of Justic·Feb 25, 2016·2 votes·526 views

Calling it right now.

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Hayaishi2Feb 25, 20164 votes

And maybe he'll be actually interesting to play now.

Blade of JusticFeb 25, 20161 votes

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And maybe he'll be actually interesting to play now.

I enjoy playing him.

M0b1usFeb 25, 20162 votes

Well yeah. It stops #lcsbigplay champs from pulling off #lcsbigplays. So of course it has to go. Riot can't have non-#lcsbigplay champs beating #lcsbigplay champs.

The more I say it, the more I realize how stupid hashtag(#) is.

YCitizenSnipsYFeb 25, 20161 votes

So then why isn't he used in the LCS?

masterdragon481Feb 25, 20162 votes

Uh did you even read the Red response to this? They said that the suppression is nearly a core concept to the champion and they have every intention of leaving it in.

Blade of JusticFeb 26, 20161 votes

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Uh did you even read the Red response to this? They said that the suppression is nearly a core concept to the champion and they have every intention of leaving it in.

Odd, considering how it's the, arguably, most broken part of his kit.

I'll hold my assumptions back until I see more about what they plan on doing, but I'm not going to put it past Riot to make it more difficult to suppress someone at the very least.

masterdragon481Feb 26, 20161 votes

"Here's some stuff we're happy with about Malzahar and are unlikely to change: Functions well as a reliable anti-mobility/anti-assassin via Nether Grasp (R). Has really fun/unique farming patterns via Malefic Visions (E).

Here's some stuff we're less happy with and are actively trying to resolve: A simple W>E>R is often enough to eliminate or remove enemies, leaving them little opportunity to act outside of not getting into his range. Malzahar is inherently low agency, and is historically balanced in a way that means he forces similarly low agency situations upon opponents. Voidlings are a cool and unique element of the kit that often don't play a large role in his success throughout the game (AD Malz aside).

Here's what I hope (these designs are still in progress) will be true of Malzahar following his changes: Malzahar's kit will feel familiar to Malzahar players; he has a lot of cool spells/visuals, and we don't want to change that. Malzahar will feel less like a burst caster to everyone. Malzahar will continue to be low range and low mobility, but he will feel less vulnerable. AP Malzahar players will care about using their Voidlings correctly. AD Malzahar will still be a decent option. Malzahar's kit will have clearer signals for how he could have played better and/or how opponents could have played better against it. Playing Malzahar still won't be a mechanically intense/exhausting experience. "

Taken from http://www.surrenderat20.net/2016/02/red-post-collection-happy-valentines.html

So while removing the suppression would be supported by "clearer signs for how he could have played better and/or how opponents could have played better against" it is in direct contradiction with "Reliable anti-mobility/anti-assassin via Nether Grasp (R)."

I think its more likely we will have a kit that still has the suppression, but has some stipulations about when it can be used. Think similar mechanic to Yasuo ulti; by using another part of his kit (the knockup on Q) he unlocks the ability to use his ultimate. I'm not saying that the mechanic will be that similar to this, but if I was a betting man, I'd bet on something like this over them removing the suppression entirely.

Paladin 0f LifeFeb 25, 20161 votes

Then he'd see pro play

67chromeFeb 25, 20161 votes

It's pretty safe to assume he's going to loose it.

Malzahar's suppression leads to an awkward interaction where his opponent is a derp and doesn't buy QSS and gets facerolled, or they buy QSS and Malzahar becomes a spectator. Supports can even buy Mikael's if their teammates are derps.

Phoenix Kotori Feb 25, 20161 votes

Why? Skarner kept his thru what 3 or 4 reworks now?

I think it be changed and probably have some more gameplay to it, but I think he'd probably still have it.

DrNovaFeb 25, 20161 votes

Logic would tell you otherwise, but we know how these boards are.

LordKentravyonFeb 25, 20161 votes

Quote RiotRepiertoir http://www.surrenderat20.net/2016/02/red-post-collection-happy-valentines.html

Here's some stuff we're happy with about Malzahar and are unlikely to change: -Functions well as a reliable anti-mobility/anti-assassin via Nether Grasp (R). -Has really fun/unique farming patterns via Malefic Visions (E).

Here's some stuff we're less happy with and are actively trying to resolve: -A simple W>E>R is often enough to eliminate or remove enemies, leaving them little opportunity to act outside of not getting into his range. -Malzahar is inherently low agency, and is historically balanced in a way that means he forces similarly low agency situations upon opponents. -Voidlings are a cool and unique element of the kit that often don't play a large role in his success throughout the game (AD Malz aside).

Here's what I hope (these designs are still in progress) will be true of Malzahar following his changes: -Malzahar's kit will feel familiar to Malzahar players; he has a lot of cool spells/visuals, and we don't want to change that. -Malzahar will feel less like a burst caster to everyone. -Malzahar will continue to be low range and low mobility, but he will feel less vulnerable. -AP Malzahar players will care about using their Voidlings correctly. -AD Malzahar will still be a decent option. -Malzahar's kit will have clearer signals for how he could have played better and/or how opponents could have played better against it. -Playing Malzahar still won't be a mechanically intense/exhausting experience.

Don't count it out just yet.