To Rickless, The Man Who Dared to Touch Riven's Kit...

Blade of Justic·Oct 1, 2015·133 votes·7,844 views

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97 Comments

IcyPepperOct 1, 201517 votes

Considering the controversy? Yeah, that guy has balls and my respect.

Will they back down like they did with Lee Sin long ago? Will they go through with it despite Riven mains protesting?

Who knows. But it gives people playing against Riven a better visual indicator of how dangerous she is at the moment, which I think is the point. Sure, it might make her a bit weaker, but she could be rebalanced around having a resource (instead of dumpster nerfing her) so it's fun to play against her as well as with her. Which is the whole point, I believe.

Blade of JusticOct 1, 20158 votes

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As someone who hates Riven with a burning passion, if these changes go through, I would NOT be opposed to some buffs to her.

BattleBalladeerOct 1, 20158 votes

They look like they are going to keep her damage output roughly the same with the exception of the Ult.

Her new passive is like a micro-sheen that scales of of your total AD rather than base ad and it most likely lacks a CD for procs meaning that animation cancelers whill have at least as high a dmg output as before.

Someone in another thread said it would be way easier to deal the ult's full damage now because it does not require the enemy have taken any dmg, just that riven has built her Edge. How easy they make it to stack up Edge will determine the potency of her micro-rework.

Edit: that and whether or not they decide to keep it Runic on Champs only.

Best case scenario is that she becomes more of a resource management kind of character (main resource being time spent in each action) by balancing out uses of her passive with AA'ing for minions in early game which will reduce her early game prowess a lot, and this will possibly make her less spammy since she has to spell then AA spell rather than spell spell spell AA. But probably not.

SkiasOct 2, 20151 votes

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They look like they are going to keep her damage output roughly the same with the exception of the Ult.

Her new passive is like a micro-sheen that scales of of your total AD rather than base ad and it most likely lacks a CD for procs meaning that animation cancelers whill have at least as high a dmg output as before.

Someone in another thread said it would be way easier to deal the ult's full damage now because it does not require the enemy have taken any dmg, just that riven has built her Edge. How easy they make it to stack up Edge will determine the potency of her micro-rework.

Edit: that and whether or not they decide to keep it Runic on Champs only.

Best case scenario is that she becomes more of a resource management kind of character (main resource being time spent in each action) by balancing out uses of her passive with AA'ing for minions in early game which will reduce her early game prowess a lot, and this will possibly make her less spammy since she has to spell then AA spell rather than spell spell spell AA. But probably not.

She wont be able to fly up on you and instant ult to execute people and kill backlines. I welcome this.

AutoreactiveCD4Oct 2, 20152 votes

No more triple kills after she only shows up to a fight only to ult and run away? im in. In my games that's how she gets back into games after I don't die to her for 15 minutes.

SkiasOct 3, 20151 votes

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No more triple kills after she only shows up to a fight only to ult and run away? im in. In my games that's how she gets back into games after I don't die to her for 15 minutes.

Exactly. How many times has a Riven quadra-dashed into your lane and just shot you with the ult and gotten double kills? Her Ult gives her far too much reward for the little required. But then, I feel like that is most of her kit.

DessemOct 2, 20151 votes

Will they go through with it despite Riven mains protesting?

Wait, why are they protesting? Maybe I'm slow and dumb, but doesn't her Edge give her the edge in protracted fights through its 10% increased damage (that applies to her QQing?)

Auz the RipperOct 2, 20153 votes

Her passive won't stack anymore, meaning she wastes a bit of her passive damage if she uses her Q and E to gapclose

And her Ult will no longer scale with missing health, meaning she can't just use it as ranged execute anymore

HayRossOct 1, 201515 votes

Ashe And my bow

Darius Draven Akali DrMundo Nasus Olaf Sion And our various axes!

OshletOct 1, 201516 votes

Technically, Akali has kamas, not axes. And Nasus has a sceptre or staff or whatever.

God I'm fun at parties.

frigginmurlocsOct 1, 20155 votes

To be fair after the VU nasus's staff does resemble a poleax

HayRossOct 1, 201510 votes

Close enough!

Also, you didn't point out the fact that Mundo uses a cleaver!

FluxBoundOct 2, 20158 votes

Excuse me, the proper term is "Pimp Cane"

TussOct 2, 20153 votes

I didn't know Akali was a pimp.

NightOfLightOct 3, 20151 votes

Garen And my sword. Even though I beat her in lane but whatever.

Frost HellfireOct 1, 20158 votes

MasterYi : My sword is yours.

Photos of GhostsOct 1, 20157 votes

*bureidu

AuroramancerOct 1, 20154 votes

Blade*

Praetor DonOct 2, 20157 votes

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Blade of JusticOct 2, 201515 votes

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Kas127Oct 2, 20151 votes

As a huge fan of LOTR, I am just in awe with these comment! :)

For CarthageOct 1, 20156 votes

Can we get rid of the animation cancel nonsense now?

Aych PiiOct 1, 20156 votes

You want Riven players to have access to her full capability without even having a skill requirement to use the cancels? You must be some kind of masochist.

ninjaIRL Oct 2, 20151 votes

As stupid and depressing as it is for a bug to be part of a champion's performance is, she needs it.

Taking that away will simply nerf her viability in high level play. Gold V+ players know how to work around it. Riven players at that level have to start animation cancelling to deal damage early game. If you haven't noticed already, Rivens in Silver, moreso (especially) Bronze don't particularly need to animation cancel to win lane and game. Animation cancelling reduces the amount of time that her damage unloads and this is helpful because hard CC actually ruins it.

For CarthageOct 2, 20151 votes

http://www.lolking.net/champions/riven?region=all&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=challenger#statistics

http://www.lolking.net/champions/riven?region=all&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=diamond#statistics

So... you're saying Riven needs to be oppressively overtuned in her damage to be viable with her 60% winrates on over 20% of the Master+ tier playerbase?

... Mm.

ninjaIRL Oct 3, 20151 votes

If you took away animation cancelling on her abilities her damage would have to be spread out in over several seconds. Riven would simply get stunned, and die because she's a crap tank. Her shield scales with her AD, that's one thing. If you took away animation cancelling and buffed her damage output to still be the same then that would just mean she would stomp lower tier harder.

Her overall design is just not good at all, IMO.

For CarthageOct 3, 20151 votes

Then what she needs is to be fixed, not "updated" with some crap component like edge. She needs her damn kit altered so it's not "Hey, I'm a champ that literally relies on being functionally broken to do shit".

CaythelesOct 1, 20154 votes

I believe she will be Just as strong, However Riven players will need to change their way of playing. I was talking to my friend who is a Riven main and we already Developed a new playstyle that MIGHT work with this new riven and keeping her Passive completely usable.

Riven is going to actually WORK for her extra damage to keep it at a Maximum in the end of trades.

SulghunterOct 1, 20153 votes

I already weave in AAs in between every ability, so it really does not change much for me.

Also, I am still a massive noob in that I have never been able to animation cancel with Riven.

AbrahamBaconhamOct 1, 20152 votes

I think what Caytheles is referring to is not necessarily the practice of weaving AA's, but the frequency in which you harass the enemy laner, what order you do your combos in, etc.

Devack The HolyOct 1, 20154 votes

To be honest, I like the changes.

I know it still doesn't solve the issue of her mobility once she hits 40 CDR, or the AD-Scaling shield, BUT, this makes it easier to tell when dueling one is a BAD idea. Would you duel one when her Edge is full, and the possibility of her having her ult?

Who knows? This might make her a bit easier to play with and against.

Avios1Oct 1, 20153 votes

And we shall always rush to his side...

http://31.media.tumblr.com/2c09539355ea990f0d4019e74ecd1e60/tumblr_mrnurirBrj1rzu2xzo1_250.gif

Blade of JusticOct 1, 20154 votes

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And we shall always rush to his side...

http://31.media.tumblr.com/2c09539355ea990f0d4019e74ecd1e60/tumblr_mrnurirBrj1rzu2xzo1_250.gif

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Ariel the CruelOct 1, 20153 votes

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Reynard the ƒoxOct 1, 20152 votes

what did he change

Blade of JusticOct 1, 201530 votes

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what did he change

Riven's passive doesn't stack up to 3 times. (Instead, it's 1 time)

Runic Blade grants "Edge" when you AA an enemy champ (currently)

Edge grants up to 10% increase in damage on everything when at max (100 Edge)

Riven's Wind Slash doesn't do damage based on missing health, but instead does damage based on current "Edge"

Edge is lost upon using Wind Slash.

Reynard the ƒoxOct 1, 201574 votes

sounds dark and

edgy

Mike KachowskiOct 1, 20155 votes

Came here expecting Riven QQ, not laughing my butt off. Well done +1

AbrahamBaconhamOct 2, 20151 votes

God why the hell did they have to call it edge?

SkiasOct 2, 20158 votes

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God why the hell did they have to call it edge?

Because shes the champion of choice for Edgelords.

TheTyeGuyOct 2, 20153 votes

I think it's more regarding her sword. The sharp bit of a sword is often referred to as its "edge".

Hence Talon's line, "On the razor's edge."

AbrahamBaconhamOct 2, 20152 votes

But she's not getting MORE sword edge when she hits people with her passive. Is she sharpening it on people? Why not call it something that makes sense thematically?

HayRossOct 1, 20153 votes

Where is the source for this?

Blade of JusticOct 1, 20155 votes

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Where is the source for this?

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/09/930-pbe-update.html

It's closer to the bottom of the page.

HayRossOct 1, 20152 votes

Thank you

AlleoOct 1, 201510 votes

What happens when you buy Infinity Egde on Riven? Because then you never lose your edge.

Yosuke ApperuOct 2, 20151 votes

It's a nerf to clean up riven, but a buff to team fighter riven. Now she can aoe nuke the enemy for the same execute damage at any time during the fight (Provided her edge is full)

ComannderShepardOct 1, 20156 votes