Could Pantheon Spear be made into a skillshot?

Nekusen·May 23, 2016·9 votes·1,018 views

Its retarded to lane against with that point and click shit.

25 Comments

BluePolarizerMay 23, 20166 votes

I don't get it. It sucks to lane against. But then Pantheon doesn't do anything in a teamfight. So if he can't lane and he can't teamfight, there's nothing Pantheon can do.

Unless the spear was given higher damage and range, there's no way this wouldn't be a gutting. And tbh, Pantheon is outplayed by cloth armor buys. He can't even kill any champ with spears alone even if he exhausted his entire mana pool pre-5. This is unlike any other champ which can kill you if they hit their spells every time.

NekusenMay 23, 20161 votes

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I don't get it. It sucks to lane against. But then Pantheon doesn't do anything in a teamfight.

nothing besides stun, tank and deal damage

BluePolarizerMay 23, 20165 votes

stuns 1 guy for a short time on a super telegraphed and slow animation jump which can be cancelled by any knockback. He can tank 1 auto more than typical assasins. And he deals 100% single target damage except on his tiny radius E that's also cancellable. Once he uses his Q/W/E combo his autos are laughable due to their terribad animation.

How is Pantheon even remotely close to Maokai, Malphite or Gnar in a teamfight?

NekusenMay 23, 20161 votes

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stuns 1 guy for a short time on a super telegraphed.

Telegraphed ? Rofl, point and click with no casting time.

AlwaysByMySideMay 23, 20163 votes

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Telegraphed ? Rofl, point and click with no casting time.

I've canceled it with Yasuo's third Q.

Git gud.

DediguiseMay 23, 20161 votes

Last time I played against panth I punted him out of his stun animation into his team with LeeSin .

He set up a perfect teamfight and saved me from having to use flash to get the team knockup.

RalanrMay 24, 20161 votes

I've been stopped mid jump by a Chogath knock up. An Alistar headbutt can stop it. Any displacement can stop his stun.

USG FailsawceMay 23, 20162 votes

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stuns 1 guy for a short time on a super telegraphed and slow animation jump which can be cancelled by any knockback. He can tank 1 auto more than typical assasins. And he deals 100% single target damage except on his tiny radius E that's also cancellable. Once he uses his Q/W/E combo his autos are laughable due to their terribad animation.

How is Pantheon even remotely close to Maokai, Malphite or Gnar in a teamfight?

Couldn't have said it better myself. One thing you forgot however is how retardedly easy it is to gank an enemy Pantheon due to complete lack of escapes.

He's a lane bully and a duelist, he's suppose to bully the lane early... and so he has massive weaknesses for it including falling off late game (especially if no kills happen), poor teamfighting, extremely mana heavy, and easy as hell to gank. Making his Q a skillshot would make him both useless in lane AND teamfights.

Pantheon isn't even close to as bad as some other lane bullies and champs in general. I honestly can't believe this thread even exists.

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And after a few them, they start to crit too.

If you're still in lane with only 15% hp and haven't started backing, you deserve to be killed.

EpicMusicMay 23, 20165 votes

LET'S JUST MAKE EVERYTHING A FCKING SKILLSHOT. WHINERS.

God RaijinMay 23, 20165 votes

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Its retarded to lane against with that point and click shit. point and click you say?

Swiftstrike4May 23, 20162 votes

I have more of an issue with Pantheon's stun being point and click than his spear. But if one were a skill shot i would make him less oppressive.

I don't think his passive should negate turret shots. That is my biggest problem with Pantheon.

NilokMay 24, 20161 votes

If you make it not a point and click, it would be overpowered as hell. First it would mean that he could stun an area around the landing zone, stunning multiple people, second it would mean that Panth could jump at will, allowing him much more survivability and utility. I think Zed has the second one covered already.

ModWulf HelhammerMay 23, 20162 votes

I would be so happy if that happened

LegacyDAPMay 23, 20162 votes

This would be cool, I think Pantheon would be a lot more fun to play and lane against if this was a thing.

Yordle XayahMay 23, 20162 votes

Annie

John C MayerMay 23, 20161 votes

I think it needs a big tweak to mana; it's a 4 second CD, and if you go with Black Cleaver, it's 4.2 s; it's 45 mana right now, with Pantheon starting at 317 mana. Without counting mana regen, he gets to do 7 spears Seems like the spears do too much dmg and not enough mana cost.

BluePolarizerMay 23, 20164 votes

7 spears can't even kill most champs at lvl. 1 considering resistances and base regen.

John C MayerMay 24, 20161 votes

Point isn't his dmg, or anything like that; point is it's a spammable poke dmg, with very low cost.

NilokMay 24, 20161 votes

Sorry, mana items are only for mages and mana regen items are only for supports now. Unless you are arguing for the spears to deal more damage at higher cost... please no, I don't want another Zed or Nid.

DarkLarvitarMay 23, 20161 votes

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I think it needs a big tweak to mana; it's a 4 second CD, and if you go with Black Cleaver, it's 4.2 s; it's 45 mana right now, with Pantheon starting at 317 mana. Without counting mana regen, he gets to do 7 spears Seems like the spears do too much dmg and not enough mana cost.

but you need to think his comb cost a lot more and he can only do it twice before he is oom although i agree he could use some tweaking

MunchCrunchLunchMay 23, 20161 votes

it does quite a bit of damage too. no it does a fuck load of damage. scales off total ad. 1.4 ratio. yeah

ModWulf HelhammerMay 23, 20161 votes

And after a few them, they start to crit too.

hOrnnMay 23, 20161 votes

if they do this they have to increase damage and range to compensate, then id be all for it.

he used to hard counter fiora, now she can block his stun or damage with w, he used to hard counter gangplank, now he has barrels to even that out, hes still really solid but if u want to go full damage yea u will delete carries but die fast late so he has to build tanky.

ill say this much about him, hes almost guaranteed to win lane if hes top, can even beat darius if played right.

NilokMay 24, 20161 votes

Panth still hard counters Fiora... his passive blocks on hit effects, including Fiora's passive...