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Morgana now has a negative win rate as support, and her highest counters are all AP damagers.....

Illabethe··2 votes·1,262 views

I never thought I'd see the day.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Morgana/ https://u.gg/lol/champions/morgana/build

I can't believe this lol.

57% Ban rate and a 49.19% Win rate on Morgana ?!?

And the role that is weighting her down now is actually SUPPORT?

What happened?

Here's my reality that I'm discovering recently.

A LOT of AP damage champions are actually hard countering Morgana right now. Champions who normally should be completely countered by HER..... like Elise Zyra .

I had an Elise last night literally win every trade, even with Black shield up, even though I killed all her spiders, Snared her, Ulted her. Didn't matter. Properly combo'd, Elise is demolishing Morgana, because Soil isn't priming damage fast enough when not fed.

It seems like the only time Morgana is a dps threat, is when she has a stacked item 3041 and item 3089 . If she's not ahead of other players in general, her: -Q/W don't kill. Many times on average gold income, she's barely able to 1/2 their HP. -E is generally not keeping up with enough damage to make her the anti-mage. Many are outscaling so hard, that they can destroy both her shield AND her HP.

Here's what REALLY scares me: Her Utility Support build has MUCH higher win rates than any AP build. WHAT? Morellonomicon is losing out to Redemption in win rate!

I don't care if you hate Morgana, but this is wrong.......

[sg-zephyr]

13 Comments

Darkdemon6531 votes

That doesn't surprise me; she's extremely weak. The only thing she does is make someone, hopefully Yi/Trynd/etc., immune to CC.

200ms50fpsmacOS1 votes

Morgana is a god at countering tank supports. Therefore it makes sense that she should be weak against other matchups. The only way to win these matchups imo is to either wait for your jungler to gank them or you getting lv 6 and try to win the 2v2 before you and your adc gets poken down. I recommend putting 2 points in e and q pre 6 since Morgana's e shield can be easily broken when Vel'koz tries to q and e and you'll end up getting cc'd unless you're really good at timing. The reason why Morgana support is prefered more than Morgana mid is that she has a 3-second snare that pretty much guarantees a kill in team fights whether you're building ap or not.

Illabethe2 votes

She's not a god at countering tank supports at ALL lmfao. you really need to learn your champs if you think that. Voli/Thresh both counter Morgana. So does Nautilus. The only reason people ban her is because of Blitz.

And she's pulling a negative win rate as support.

She's becoming weak versus MAGES. The primary thing she is supposed to counter.

200ms50fpsmacOS1 votes

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She's not a god at countering tank supports at ALL lmfao. you really need to learn your champs if you think that. Voli/Thresh both counter Morgana. So does Nautilus. The only reason people ban her is because of Blitz.

And she's pulling a negative win rate as support.

She's becoming weak versus MAGES. The primary thing she is supposed to counter.

There's actually no way morgana loses to voli and thresh in 2v2s if they get close just ult or snare and spellshield the one cc that they rely on so heavily to make plays

Illabethe1 votes

You really have no clue how to play if you think that's the case.

Voli can survive her entire kit, often brings 51-63% Tenacity, heals off passive, and go for round 2. She can passively stop his charge; that's about it. But he will win a prolonged fight.

Thresh you don't have a clue how to play if Morgana beats you.

  1. Her Shield does NOT counter his hook. It only counters the Stun/pull part of it.
  2. He can easily Q into her, which destroys her entire shield, has E's added damage charged, R's her, E's her, and she is forced to either try to run for the R wall and survive, or try to duel him inside. If she runs for the R, she dies. If she stays and duels, often she dies.

Thresh has THREE CC's. She can only stop one before her protection is gone.

Posui Gart1 votes

I had an Elise last night literally win every trade, even with Black shield up, even though I killed all her spiders, Snared her, Ulted her. Didn't matter. Properly combo'd, Elise is demolishing Morgana, because Soil isn't priming damage fast enough when not fed.

Elise will win every long trade against Morgana. Just poke her with QW without letting her trade back. If she all-ins you with her spider-E, thats when you cc-lock her with Q-R without letting her AA/Q you in spider form.

If she's not ahead of other players in general, her: -Q/W don't kill. Many times on average gold income, she's barely able to 1/2 their HP.

Well excuse me, you are not supposed to 100-0 enemies with 2 abilities if you just hit a skillshot and you aren't stupidly ahead. At least add Ignite, R and another Q after stun

-E is generally not keeping up with enough damage to make her the anti-mage. Many are outscaling so hard, that they can destroy both her shield AND her HP.

She is not "anti-mage", she is "anti-CC". She is supposed to block that 1 CC threat, not to tank the whole enemy combo without losing hp. If you need anti-mage, there is Kassadin.

Here's what REALLY scares me: Her Utility Support build has MUCH higher win rates than any AP build. WHAT? Morellonomicon is losing out to Redemption in win rate!

With utility build you don't have to hit spells. Throw that shield at your carry, use your ult-zhonyas, throw that redemption in the teamfight, maybe hit someone with Q, but if you didn't, its ok, you already did your job. Meanwhile if full ap Morgana misses her Q, she is out of the game

Crispy0Snake1 votes

Morgana is a skill based champion. Her winrates and stats, analytics... it means nothing if you're good on the champion

She's skillshots and reaction times, every single Morgana matchup is a skill matchup just by nature of the champion

Zyra outranges you, if you waste E and Zyra gets an EWWQ ignite on your adc and they die, you need to git gooood

You can be part of the 45% to beat Zyra support if you're good enough

Illabethe1 votes

It is NOT about skill. I'm an 80% Morgana player, whose already banned 57% of the time, and the other 43% get crap like this where

  1. You think about your argument in a 1v1 bubble rather than a team game.
  2. The winning strategies have nothing to do with skill/damage
  3. Most Morgana influence is lost to teams of 5 chasing her, and her ironic inability to peel them.
  4. She's a core Riot poster child and getting a less than 50% Win rate EVEN THOUGH HER KIT IS ONE OF THE SIMPLIST AND STILL GETTING A 57% Ban Rate, while people forsake banning the champs who are REALLY broken.

#5) I'm not writing this for ME. I'm writing it as a general truth: A champ with a low skill cap with a high popularity has been overnerfed to the point she's sinking.

Crispy0Snake1 votes

If she was low skill cap, she wouldn't have such a high ban rate in Plat+. That is those players respecting that a good morgana player could be on the enemy team, and they don't want to have to deal with her

I disagree with all your points. If you can hit bindings - hard, and react to hard cc coming at you or an ally (Identify who is being aimed at and shielding them from incoming CC in a second or less) - hard, then you're A* very good morg player and will hard carry games even from the support role

Illabethe1 votes

Do you even know what a high skill cap champion is?

Zoe Katarina Akali are high skill cap champions, because their kits are not linear, require extreme practice, memory, and small hitbox distance and accuracy to perform well. As a consequence, their win rates suffer below their average potential.

Morgana is a point and click skill shotter with relatively short cooldowns, and she doesn't even have to aim her R. Ie low skill cap.

I average 98 CC a game on Morgana without Rylai's. Educate me more on "How that carries."

Crispy0Snake1 votes

I explained why she's high skillcap. You need fast reaction times to get the most out of her E, and Zhonya's and you need to be able to hit your Q

"Hitting Q is ez hahaha" against good players, it's really not

You can get so much out of scenarios as morgana by expressing skill, more than any other support champ in the game imo

She carries because her bind facilitates far more damage than it deals, her ult does the same, her E also facilitates a lot of damage. You can easily carry games on her from the support role in low elo https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Morgana%20Q%20Misser

This is my 2nd acc.

Morg has access to stopwatch, first item 2650 gold Zhonya, that right there gives her a positive winrate

Illabethe1 votes

Gold IV, 16 games. Such Credibility.

This account was 95% on Morg for its first 40 games. I have over 3.7 Million accumulated Morgana Mastery. What do I know?

P.S. Diamond II

Crispy0Snake2 votes

Comment on your main then, let's see it

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