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I'm not a big fan of the "guaranteed crit" concept

Your Next Kill·Feb 13, 2016·5 votes·630 views

I mean, the point of a critical strike is to deal hella bonus damage randomly, and building it sacrifices some bonus damage for a higher chance of this happening. Sure there's champions like Shaco and Pantheon who have had guaranteed crits, but they usually came with a downside. Shaco is squishy, and he has to get in the enemy's face to get the crit off, , as well as using his only escape to activate it. Pantheon is only guaranteed to crit you when you are below 15% health. Then there's Ashe, who's crits don't deal additional damage but apply a slow. We also have Yasuo and Tryndamere, but they still need a few items before their crits became "guaranteed". These were all fine in my opinion, but I feel like Riot's gotten a little out of hand with the concept. Now with champions like Jhin, Win Nhao and Fiora getting a guaranteed critical strike on their abilities, it just doesn't really seem fair, since Xin and Fiora can go full damage and still get off crits, and Jhin gets more AD based off of his crit chance.

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Best KhaZix VoidFeb 13, 20162 votes

are you seriously complaining about jhin?

PhantomGGFeb 13, 20161 votes

I'm not a big fan of mundo building pure tank, as he heals faster then I deal damage.

Your Next KillFeb 13, 20161 votes

I feel your pain :\

PhantomGGFeb 13, 20161 votes

Not enough if you made this topic to question why crit exists.

KyrrionFeb 13, 20161 votes

Here's the key difference between a guaranteed crit and AD scaling.

A guaranteed crit cannot overlap with crit - there's no "double dipping". Imagine a Fiora had scaling total AD on her E as opposed to the crit and she's building items with critical on them. There's a chance that she can crit on her E, doing both crit damage and scaling AD damage. A guaranteed crit doesn't allow that opportunity for it to stack.

ErockandrollFeb 14, 20161 votes

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Here's the key difference between a guaranteed crit and AD scaling.

A guaranteed crit cannot overlap with crit - there's no "double dipping". Imagine a Fiora had scaling total AD on her E as opposed to the crit and she's building items with critical on them. There's a chance that she can crit on her E, doing both crit damage and scaling AD damage. A guaranteed crit doesn't allow that opportunity for it to stack.

good call, I wouldn't have thought of that.

Personally, I would find the Guarantied crit to be fairly easy to balance around. Simply due to the expected value of a critical strike. In a way, the stand to reduce the value of critical strikes on these champions, as their guarantied crits, are at reduced damage.

The only real concern, may come from the fact that Riot is adding more and more utility to Crits. So Expected damage value isn't the only thing they will have to consider anymore. As Jhin gets MS from a Critical strike, would 100% crit chance make him to fast? What about ER? Would a champ that should be mana gated, abuse items like ER, because they have Crit in their kit?

KyrrionFeb 14, 20161 votes

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good call, I wouldn't have thought of that.

Personally, I would find the Guarantied crit to be fairly easy to balance around. Simply due to the expected value of a critical strike. In a way, the stand to reduce the value of critical strikes on these champions, as their guarantied crits, are at reduced damage.

The only real concern, may come from the fact that Riot is adding more and more utility to Crits. So Expected damage value isn't the only thing they will have to consider anymore. As Jhin gets MS from a Critical strike, would 100% crit chance make him to fast? What about ER? Would a champ that should be mana gated, abuse items like ER, because they have Crit in their kit?

Not sure regarding your first paragraph - it seems like we're kind of agreeing here (I don't view GC's as a balance concern - it's just another type of scaling).

I would think Essence Reaver's mana recovery would be somewhat of an afterthought for Jhin - since it would technically be an "on-hit". Not exactly stellar on the guy who will always one shot a minion once it's completed while a fixed attack speed combined with a window where he can't auto at all.

I think the mana recovery on Essence Reaver is a rather ingenious solution to mana hungry ADC's - it requires them to actually fight (using as many autos as possible) instead of having unlimited poking power. If Essence Reaver recovered mana similar to Chalice, Varus would poke for days - but since auto attacks are needed to access it, it creates windows of engage for the opponent while preventing non-stop sieging.

As for Jhin's movement speed with a crit, given his nature as a rather unconventional ADC I think he afford to bend the rules and become an exception to some of them. And given that extra utility with crits is something to be tied to an individual champion's kit as opposed, the levers to tune that champion are definitely there.

Tying extra power to critical strikes is also a nice balancing tool since ADC's won't get 40-50% crit until a 2nd item is completed, which delays that extra power until later in the game to keep it out of the laning phase for the most part. Before when they have 20% crit, that extra power isn't exactly reliable.

cuddlykitten4Feb 14, 20161 votes

I agree, I find it easier to counter play when I know i'm going to be critted in two attacks vs "oh shit, is yi gonna IE me to death this blow? or next blow? or both?"

Aeolian MelodiesFeb 14, 20161 votes

I see it as a part of balance...

making it a crit may be easier to balance than just making it a stronger AA that can also crit.

TNHA BaritoneFeb 14, 20161 votes

I think you're sexy. :|

Aeolian MelodiesFeb 14, 20161 votes

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I think you're sexy. :|

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TNHA BaritoneFeb 14, 20161 votes

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Aeolian MelodiesFeb 14, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Midnight Karma,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bsaVfuZE,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-14T02:33:29.007+0000)

can i pleasure you?

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cuddlykitten4Feb 14, 20161 votes

The fuck is happening here O.O

TNHA BaritoneFeb 14, 20161 votes

I **will ** Face the Wind Yasuo

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