Are we seriously going to pretend its fine that a utility mage can burst better than assassins?

ForgiveColour·6/1/2017, 10:37:02 PM·10 votes·956 views

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why does her ult have like a 50s cd at rank 3 for what it does??? Miss all ult hit one lategame and win game because less than 50s ult LUL

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ChaddyFantome6/1/2017, 10:37:52 PM7 votes

Bad example. Orianna actually has a lot of delays on her abilities.

PermabannedGaren6/1/2017, 11:51:23 PM3 votes

So this meme that Orianna has a huge amount of burst damage needs to die off.

Her ult in particular is given incredible amounts of hate for how much damage it does.

So how much damage does it do?

300+75% AP magic damage.

That's 60 more damage than a Xerath Q. A single Annie W will do more since it only has 50 less base damage but an extra 10% scaling damage, meaning she only needs 500 AP to break even with Ori's ultimate.

So how much does Ori's full combo do?

1,010 base damage (I'm including the ball flying through enemies for her E and a luden's proc) + 230% AP magic damage.

Let's compare her to an AP assassin like Fizz. Just for fun, I'll assume a minimum range ultimate and a worst case usage of his W, and not factoring in his W's bleed since it isn't burst. I am factoring in lichbane however.

832 + 280% AP magic damage.

So Fizz has a bit less than 200 base damage, but 50% more scaling damage.

What does this total out to?

item 3165 item 3020 item 3285 item 3089 item 3135 item 3157

This is a generic Ori build. Plus the 30 AP she gets from runes and masteries, this totals out to 635 AP. So her scaling damage would be 1,459.3.

item 3152 item 3020 item 3100 item 3089 item 3135 item 3157

This totals out to 594 AP. So his scaling damage would be 1,663.2.

So Ori's total damage is 2,469.3, whereas Fizz's is 2,495.2. Which is to say, a Fizz that doesn't get the full damage of his ultimate or his W will still do more damage in a full rotation than Orianna. A Fizz who lands a max range ultimate and procs his empowered W will do considerably more damage, likely by over a thousand.

No, Ori's main damage power late game comes from her heavy sustained damage, where she abuses the incredibly low cooldown on her Q to kite around and chunk people over and over again. But her actual burst potential? It's not very high unless she's snowballing.

xReverie6/1/2017, 10:48:07 PM2 votes

Orianna is very immobile, and has counterplay built into her kit. If she were to slip up she can get caught out.

She can't one shot someone unless their low on health or she's pretty fed, unlike syndra

Who is Taliyah6/1/2017, 10:51:44 PM2 votes

Orianna is officially a Burst Mage

Psyrix6/2/2017, 1:04:50 AM2 votes
  1. Orianna does not burst better than an assassin, it's about the same (or less) and that's if she can land all the skill shots. 2) Orianna is a burst mage (with utility yes, about every mage has some utility) so of course she can do alot of damage if she sets up properly. 3)What separates Assassins (AP) from burst mages is that they have alot of mobility. That's the main thing that defines Assassins: they do alot of damage yes, but they also have alot of mobility.
Doodlzzz6/1/2017, 11:24:33 PM1 votes

I think ur talking about just Ori and not other utility mages lol