AP brusier item concept

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edit again: Ap value changed

40 Ability power 300 health 10% cooldown reduction 30% attack speed

Passive : attacks deal 15 magic damage on hit

Unique Passive : magic damage dealt by auto attacks grant a shield equal to 20% of the MAGIC damage dealt (Ex: witts end, nashor tooth, kog maw w, ect)

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6obETSj7H74 votes

Broken Kayle

AirKingNeo2 votes

It wouldn't even be broken because of Kayle. Gaining 5 AP per every 10% bonus AS is already an strong passive.

50% from Nashors -> +25 more AP. 70% from Rageblade -> +35 more AP. 40% from Hurricane -> +20 more AP. 30% attack speed in Runes/Masteries -> 15 more AP.

Given the 20 base, the item would give 115 AP. It would be a huge stat stick item that also acts as a magical DPS Bloodthirster.

Moonfall Saber4 votes

Melee only confirmed. Ranged champions have to break every damn item.

AirKingNeo4 votes

No ranged carry broke the item. You're just dumb for making an item that sounds blatantly overpowered.

Protokai2 votes

what part of it is melee only? technically kayle is a melee champion that has an ability that modifies her autos to ranged attacks.

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2017/06/630-pbe-update.html and then new Diana will freaking love this item when her E is maxed it grants 90%AS when she uses an ability it giver her another 20%as thats 110%as nashors gives 50 thats 160%+30% from the item itself 190% AS

This passive alone will give Diana 95 AP so adding it together would make 115 AP causing the same exact issue as stated by airkingneo and she is the only other champ I can think of that would actually build this item

Moonfall Saber1 votes

If it had lower ap scalings on it would it be balanced? I mean technically the item was made for Diana Azir Ekko Kassadin and maybe Kayle maybe but apparently this would be a completely busted af item for Kayle. Then if it was melee only Azir would not make use of the item well.

Protokai1 votes

The item itself gives 30%AS and there is no note that excludes the AS given by this item meaning it gives another 15AP making it 130 AP for kayle

XIII Vanitas3 votes

Diana-only item concept

FTFY

Ralanr2 votes

I can only see this being good on Diana, and even then she's not encouraged to build attack speed.

Other AP bruisers? Not so much.

Rozair2 votes

Consider Diana is the only Ap bruiser I think the op thought of this item with her in mind as there is no ap brusier items and Diana is the only one. However this is a really good item for a couple champions.

I would think that the shielding passive would work on azir because his soldiers count as am auto attack however the 15 damage would not work air would also gain cdr and a good amount of ap when combined with nashor tooth.

Another good combo would be Kassadin because his autos always deal magic damage and his e would actually give him a really big shield.

Any champion that uses lichbane this could also be a good synergy with.

Then you have ezreal corki and kog maw which could potentially break this item.

I like it though. Diana could really use an item like this.

nm10103 votes

Consider Diana is the only Ap bruiser I think the op thought of this item with her in mind as there is no ap brusier items and Diana is the only one.

Swain Vladimir Diana Rumble were all considered/are ap bruiser playstyles.

I would think that the shielding passive would work on azir because his soldiers count as am auto attack

They do not, that is why they don't apply Nashor's tooth.

Another good combo would be Kassadin because his autos always deal magic damage and his e would actually give him a really big shield.

Not sure whether you mean his q that gives him a magic damage shield or his w that is his auto attack damage + reset. His E is force pulse, the AoE wave.

Any champion that uses lichbane this could also be a good synergy with.

Yay an ap bruiser fizz shortly after the ad version died.

Then you have ezreal corki and kog maw which could potentially break this item.

Nothing new, adc's break just about every non tank new item.

I like it though. Diana could really use an item like this.

I would actually welcome the op Diana this would create just so adcs would suffer.

Moonfall Saber1 votes

Out of all the ap brusier though Diana is the only one who would make use of this item. I would hope that it would not synergize with vlad or swain at all.

I'm pretty sure Kassadins w is an assassin reset with magic damage AND it makes his autos passivly deal magic damage.

I think we could make am exception to somehow make this work for azir with the correct coding.

And yes fuck adc make this item melee only.

nm10101 votes

Out of all the ap brusier though Diana is the only one who would make use of this item. I would hope that it would not synergize with vlad or swain at all.

So it is a Diana item that can be abused by ap assassins and adcs?

I'm pretty sure Kassadins w is an assassin reset with magic damage AND it makes his autos passivly deal magic damage.

Yes it is, I kind of strung words together poorly. I wanted it to read "[auto attack] damage + [auto] reset" As in it buffs his auto damage with additional magic damage + can reset his auto.

I think we could make am exception to somehow make this work for azir with the correct coding.

His w auto's are spells on purpose, unless you just break rules it won't work.

And yes fuck adc make this item melee only.

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r4ndomkill1 votes

Chogath and TahmKench would both love this item.

Randomonium2 votes

You might need to reduce the shielding effect for ranged champions otherwise they may break the item.

Taylorwill1 votes

Adcs break every item. Just make is melee only and it sounds amazing!

AirKingNeo1 votes

This a meme?

Fuzzygonads2 votes

I like the fact that this item would say fuck you to swain and vlad because it gives sustainability and it wouldn't be effective on either of them.

Morgan le Fey1 votes

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Unique Passive : gain 5 ability power for every 10% attack speed

Unique Passive : magic damage dealt by auto attacks grant a shield equal to 20% of the MAGIC damage dealt (Ex: witts end, nashor tooth, kog maw w, ect)

Corki: And just when I got that change so 80% of my AA damage is magic! >:D

AirKingNeo1 votes

Bloodthirster is better.

Morgan le Fey1 votes

Why not both? Max durability Corki for the win! item 3072 item 3153 item 3146 item 3078 item 3065 + this! :P

Though on a less goofy note, this item is more useful for a pure poke Corki, so a lot of it really depends on the game. It'd actually make on-hit Corki an interesting off-build. I could totally see Corki going:

item 3115 item 3124 item 3020 + this item + item 3100 /item 3078 + wildcard (prolly a item 3086 item or item 3153 ).

Give him a Janna/Sona/Nami/Lulu/Rakan with item 3504 and watch him roleplay as Kog'Maw all game!

Cowseed1 votes

Diana, Jax, and probably even mordekaiser would start shitting on people.

Moonfall Saber1 votes

Dealing 200 magic damage gives a shield with a value of 40. Is that alot?

Cowseed1 votes

Woops... keep thinking the damage meant is by spells. BUT!!!! If the continuously deal MD with their attacks will the shields stack? Also forgot that diana's passive deals damage in a cone. How would the calculations be applied to that AOE and what about lich bane?

Also if Akali buys this item and she Qs someone does the damage dealt by the q apply the shield? And does it also apply to her passive as well? And if she buys lich ban and she Qs, and AA's someone would she get the shield from the lich bane proc, Q proc AND passive proc?

What if I buy this on corki, whom's autoes deal 80% MD does he become a juggernaut because I bought this and item 3146 and item 3072. How would it work with DOT MD AA damage like Teemo's AAs. Or what about Kayles AOE MD AA damage? Does the shield have a cap? Is it champions only? Does it work on minions?

I see you've thought this through so I'm not going to pester you with questions or anything.

Moonfall Saber1 votes

yes the shield stacks yes all damage dealt from auto attacks including Azir yes to Akali even though i shutter to think about it yes to corki would work on Teemo auto attack but not the dot no cap works on anything

Cowseed1 votes

Dat is BUSTED!!!! I don't normally say things are broken but three things are slipping by you.

yes the shield stacks no cap works on anything

I get this, item 3091, item 3115 and item 3124 don't you think some people are going to get a tiny bit tanky?

cough Kayle cough.

And you didn't answer the AOE AA question.

There might not be that many AP brusers right now but this thing sure as hell would make some.

Rexxiee1 votes

You know like every single ap bruiser is spell oriented right? Examples : Rumble Singed Chogath Vladimir Swain

So you want to make a "ap bruiser item" focused on... Attack speed?

Jesus silvers know balance.

r4ndomkill1 votes

both cho and rumble have some sort of auto attack focused mechanic.

AlienPrimate1 votes

Outside of the first 10 minutes of the game, Rumble doesn't want to ever use his though.

r4ndomkill1 votes

i never said it was useful, just that he had a auto attack thing in his kit.

Sire Hippington1 votes

I like it, but the shield passive needs to be melee only or atleast cut in half for ranged, don't want to see a kogmaw or kayle with that item beeing immortal.

Only issue is that there are not really any as-focused ap bruisers left exept for diana. Fizz no longer has an ap-scaleing on-hit that promotes AS, cho probably is less as afine with the current changes and never gets that much as, Kassa doesn't have that great on-hit since S4, elise theoretically has the on-hit dps, but a hard time useing it, ap-xin got gutted in the devourer/guinsoo's days, and AP skarner has been destroyed with his first rework. So melee only would mean it has hardly any champs that use it.

Legacy Hydralpha1 votes

Sounds a bit busted, but that's just me. At least ranged champs won't use it.

Edit: melee only

Hyperiön2 votes

It sounds perfect for a melee bruiser. Diana would love this item.

Rexxiee1 votes

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It sounds perfect for a melee bruiser. Diana would love this item.

Diana is an ap assassin, not a bruiser.

Bruiser is someone that deals dps damage over a long period of time (with limited burst) while being tanky, singed is an ap bruiser, swain is an ap bruiser, diana is NOT an ap bruiser since she builds ap and 100-0's ppl.

Hyperiön1 votes

Bruiser can mean a lot of things. And I also didn't call Diana a Bruiser. I just said that she would love this item.

And Diana isn't an assassin. She is a diver.

Every single part of this item flows with Diana's kit.

Rexxiee1 votes

btw diana is not a ap bruiser.

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