Hey guys remember that brief period of time when ADCs said their role was the weakest in the game?

TheLittlestLulu·Apr 2, 2016·163 votes·6,485 views

lol

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Slamurai JackApr 2, 201628 votes

I mean, they were. The only good adcs were Jinx Vayne Tristana Kalista , who were all hyper carries. All of the other adcs were garbage.

Sassmast3rApr 2, 201616 votes

Not sure why you got downvoted for that, that is literally the most accurate description of Season 5 when it comes to bottom lane.

The only viable ADCs were the ones you listed above.

The only viable Support was Thresh with the occasional Janna .

That was it. Literally every bottom lane game I played was with one of those six champions, regardless of circumstance.

PDE5 InhibApr 2, 20163 votes

Alistar was a pretty badass support too

Sassmast3rApr 2, 20161 votes

Well yes, badass, but I didn't really see him that often.

Bear in mind I'm talking about Normals, not Ranked, as I don't play Ranked. Doubt it was any different there though. The mindset of winning being the sole goal of this game transferred right into normals as well unfortunately, so the meta probably wasn't much different in either realms.

KnoyleApr 2, 20165 votes

Well to be fair if you aren't a good alistar you are basically 4v5. I've had plenty of bad alistars and it is horrible. One actually fucked up the leash by throwing gromp through the wall.

lildyoApr 2, 20165 votes

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Well to be fair if you aren't a good alistar you are basically 4v5. I've had plenty of bad alistars and it is horrible. One actually fucked up the leash by throwing gromp through the wall.

I just lol'd picturing that

KnoyleApr 3, 20165 votes

I still scream a little inside everytime I think about it.

Supreme Senpai69Apr 3, 20164 votes

I tried to help my ADC and accidentally sent the enemy support through the wall. I got yelled at for saving them :[

Bard and Alistar are pretty tense to play as because it's so easy to help the enemy team

Curling VeigarApr 2, 201611 votes

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I mean, they were. The only good adcs were , who were all hyper carries. All of the other adcs were garbage.

now it's Ezreal Jhin Lucian KogMaw

cycle continues

other adcs aren't GARBAGE but these outshine them by a lot

Slamurai JackApr 2, 20166 votes

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now it's

cycle continues

other adcs aren't GARBAGE but these outshine them by a lot

The gap is definitely way, way, way smaller than it was before. Hell, adc choices in pro play this season are easily the most diverse I've ever seen, although the resurgence of Sivir as top tier has started to ruin that. I hate when Sivir is good because she forces the game into a teamfight meta whenever she's top tier and makes the game really stale. If you can't survive a Sivir ult engage, you're not viable. Sucks, but that's how it is.

Curling VeigarApr 2, 20163 votes

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The gap is definitely way, way, way smaller than it was before. Hell, adc choices in pro play this season are easily the most diverse I've ever seen, although the resurgence of Sivir as top tier has started to ruin that. I hate when Sivir is good because she forces the game into a teamfight meta whenever she's top tier and makes the game really stale. If you can't survive a Sivir ult engage, you're not viable. Sucks, but that's how it is.

Sadly I'm seeing sivir a lot lately... fucking hate adcs with safety, it kind of defies their trait.

XPL TurdongApr 3, 20165 votes

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Sadly I'm seeing sivir a lot lately... fucking hate adcs with safety, it kind of defies their trait.

Sivir isn't safe, she has 500 range and no dash, blink or self peel, she relies solely on outrunning people for safety, the spellshield is just compensation for her massive mana costs and vulnerability.

RatbertApr 3, 201611 votes

Spell shield makes her pretty safe. Like really safe.

XPL TurdongApr 3, 20165 votes

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Spell shield makes her pretty safe. Like really safe.

It doesn't maker her safe, it helps her slightly protect herself because of how her playstyle and range make her innately close to danger.

RatbertApr 3, 20164 votes

It's probably one of the stronger adc skills out there.

KnoyleApr 3, 20166 votes

Don't forget the ~~douche~~jack of all trades Graves who is still overcompensating for his lack of cigar.

Sahn UzalApr 3, 20163 votes

Sivir was great, her problem was the fact that Vayne had a free laningphase VS Sivir, and Sivir wouldn't be able to handle Vayne's Single target damage. Varus was a thing, but he was played Midlane with item 3042 and stuffs Draven is always kinda just Draven, you can play him for sure but there are better options. Draven just wasn't bad, Draven was just Draven. summoner 31

EndlessSorcererApr 2, 201627 votes

You mean before their itemization was completely changed and several of their kits were significantly altered?

TheLittlestLuluApr 2, 201669 votes

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You mean before their itemization was completely changed and several of their kits were significantly altered?

And yet they were still mandatory even then.

egwmVi2bgDApr 2, 20166 votes

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And yet they were still mandatory even then.

You mean that even after all of that, most ADCs still can't even outtrade a majority of SUPPORT champs? Oh yeah, ADC is definitely a strong role, lmao.

AbyssphereApr 2, 201644 votes

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You mean that even after all of that, most ADCs still can't even outtrade a majority of SUPPORT champs? Oh yeah, ADC is definitely a strong role, lmao.

At what stage of the game are ADCs struggling to out-trade supports?

OurLestradeApr 2, 20165 votes

I've out-traded ADCs as Thresh and Braum thousands of times up to around level 9 :O

AbyssphereApr 2, 201646 votes

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I've out-traded ADCs as Thresh and Braum thousands of times up to around level 9 :O

That's the point of the game where supports shouldn't automatically be losing trades with ADCs. Supports don't fight people as the game goes on because they get no items but at that point you're on pretty even terms with the ADC, so there's no reason you should be at a disadvantage.

Not many people realise this but supports aren't designed to be worthless champions incapable of ever doing anything in combat. They fall off because they don't get gold and the gold they do get isn't spent selfishly but they're as capable as any other champion early. Braum in particular should probably destroy ADCs in 1v1s early.

EDIT: To clarify, my point is that "lol ADCs can't outtrade supports" doesn't mean they're weak. Supports are designed to have strong trades early and there's no way an ADC will lose to a support after that point.

BellowsApr 3, 20161 votes

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That's the point of the game where supports shouldn't automatically be losing trades with ADCs. Supports don't fight people as the game goes on because they get no items but at that point you're on pretty even terms with the ADC, so there's no reason you should be at a disadvantage.

Not many people realise this but supports aren't designed to be worthless champions incapable of ever doing anything in combat. They fall off because they don't get gold and the gold they do get isn't spent selfishly but they're as capable as any other champion early. Braum in particular should probably destroy ADCs in 1v1s early.

EDIT: To clarify, my point is that "lol ADCs can't outtrade supports" doesn't mean they're weak. Supports are designed to have strong trades early and there's no way an ADC will lose to a support after that point.

I top lane braum and win a lot.

AbyssphereApr 3, 20165 votes

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I top lane braum and win a lot.

Well if you're top lane Braum you're just a top lane tank, not a support.

XPL TurdongApr 3, 20165 votes

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That's the point of the game where supports shouldn't automatically be losing trades with ADCs. Supports don't fight people as the game goes on because they get no items but at that point you're on pretty even terms with the ADC, so there's no reason you should be at a disadvantage.

Not many people realise this but supports aren't designed to be worthless champions incapable of ever doing anything in combat. They fall off because they don't get gold and the gold they do get isn't spent selfishly but they're as capable as any other champion early. Braum in particular should probably destroy ADCs in 1v1s early.

EDIT: To clarify, my point is that "lol ADCs can't outtrade supports" doesn't mean they're weak. Supports are designed to have strong trades early and there's no way an ADC will lose to a support after that point.

Tahm kench and annie would have a word with you.

Kuroi86Apr 3, 201610 votes

Supports are designed to have strong trades early and there's no way an ADC will lose to a support after that point.

Taric item 2303 item 3025 item 3102 item 3009 item 3800 item 3083 You'll spend half the fight stunned while your health slowly melts away.

Serika ZeroApr 3, 20166 votes

out of that, what's the support item? the sightstone alteration thing only. everything else is tank stats.... you are not a support, you got no item 3190 no item 3060 no item 3222 The only thing you add is vision with your ward thingy and engage speed with item 3800

That's a s5 top lane tank build, not a support

IGotScuttleCrabsApr 3, 20162 votes

So my support Leona build is good? item 2303 item 3068 item 3075 item 3025 item 3001 item 3020 [slayer-jinx-wink]

Serika ZeroApr 3, 20164 votes

replace thornmail with a item 3190 you heretic, or you will be purged. also, get a darn crucible for your adc >.> of he might just get hit by a single morgana q and lose you the game.

IGotScuttleCrabsApr 3, 20164 votes

Got no time for my adc while I'm diving in to solo theirs. It's called my "sit on your adc's face" build. And Leona so hot they don't complain ;)

(Pun intended)

Serika ZeroApr 3, 20161 votes

ok, then remove the ice gauntlets, i like my gingers in heat, not cold ;)

FjiordorApr 4, 20162 votes

Lina intensifies

JayHog1992Apr 2, 20163 votes

I once 1v1'd a half fed twitch as a almost full build taric with nothing but armor.

AbyssphereApr 2, 20169 votes

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I once 1v1'd a half fed twitch as a almost full build taric with nothing but armor.

To be fair, that's less about ADCs and more about Taric. I dunno how he does it but Taric can 1v1 most people late game lol.

Bodkins OddsApr 2, 20169 votes

It's a combination of his massive resists, his armor scaling damage on his W & passive, his ult giving damage stats, his big self heal, and the fact that his CDR passive let's him permastun you if you can't keep him from proccing it.

Taric Gems are truly, truly, truly, truly outrageous.

PS. Did I mention that his W has a flat armor shred that scales with his armor?

The Great DivideApr 2, 201610 votes

Zyra Those overconfident enemy ADCs never see it coming >:)

Need Gold 4 TentApr 2, 20165 votes

I don't consider her a real support. Lux Annie Karma Sona are practically secret AP carries that don't take farm. I personally run Malphite bot, and at some point in the game (assuming equal grounds), I will be 1 shotting the ADC with a full rotation. That being said, item 3156 item 3139 do make things a lot harder for me though lately.

JambajewzApr 2, 20165 votes

Don't leave Zilean off of this list, killing an adc in one double bomb is always pretty satisfying.

PSOCALYApr 3, 20162 votes

I am in love with you

I love Zyra players

Doesn't matter how good or bad you play her, I still appreciate you

The Great DivideApr 3, 20163 votes

My favorite is going mid against yasuo or fizz. The zoning is just too much for them.

PSOCALYApr 4, 20163 votes

I love lanning against Yasuo in mid lane with Zyra, they don't see the rise of the bursty thorns

Bodkins OddsApr 5, 20163 votes

Shhh, don't say anything. I want them to keep picking Yasuo into Zyra .

MokkunApr 2, 201617 votes

mandatory =/= strength

ADC's have repeatedly been the weakest thing in the game. The meta rolls in cycles.

The thing is, there are still turrets, dragons, and barons. There is still a need for sustained physical damage.

This is like saying Junglers are OP because they are mandatory.

agbudarApr 3, 20165 votes

there are 3 types of junglers.

wait wrong there are 4 recognized types of junglers. assasins LeeSin Nidalee Khazix Rengar Kindred Diana Udyr bruisers LeeSin Trundle DrMundo Diana DrMundo Shyvana Ekko Nidalee Warwick Udyr tanks Amumu Rammus Sejuani DrMundo Shen Sion Shyvana LeeSin Udyr and ap mages Fiddlesticks Ekko Diana Nidalee Udyr

those who apear once are fine balance wise or on the weak side those who apear twice have flexible kits and are on the strong side those who apear thrice will always have balance issues with their kits either utterly broken or utterly crap those who apear 4 times are item breakers

Slamurai JackApr 3, 20164 votes

I'm confused at why you don't have Sejuani in all 4 catagories, tbh.

agbudarApr 3, 20166 votes

seji abused a overpowered as fuk item she didn't break it, she and other tanks like Nautilus all abused it. fuk everyone was using it assasins bruisers ap mages you name it.

udyr used an item that on its intended champ pool did more or less ok took it and utterly broke the game there is a difference here.

LankPantsApr 3, 20161 votes

Do you really think you can compare Sej's damage to champs like Rengar, Nidalee, Fid, Diana or even someone like Shyvana?

Her damage is good for a tank, on the scale of every jungler it's not. You could probably justify her as a tank and a bruiser, but she's sure as hell not doing damage comparable to a mage or assassin.

Slamurai JackApr 3, 20161 votes

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You could probably justify her as a tank and a bruiser, but she's sure as hell not doing damage comparable to a mage or assassin.

Build AP on her and she most certainly does do damage comparable to a mage or assassin. I wouldn't recommend it over build her tank but AP Sejuani still definitely works.

LankPantsApr 3, 20161 votes

I can build Luden's Echo on Ashe and my Arrow's going to hit like a truck, that doesn't mean it makes up for the massive amounts of flaws in the build.

If you're building AP Sej you probably do some damage, but the flaws are just too great to justify it. She's not going to fill the role of a mage or an assassin better than someone like Diana, so why would you?